horses with unique coloring/facial markings

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Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm

Southern Phantom Set for Debut at Saratoga
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... t-saratoga
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:58 pm

Hope this link works; it's Southern Phantom schooling today at the Spa:

https://www.facebook.com/WatchXBTV/vide ... 293706988/
BaroqueAgain1
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:56 pm

That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:03 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?
Not necessarily from Bode. Likely a new KIT mutation. There have been other TBs who looked like true splash but never tested for it. Likely an unknown similar mutation.
Yes, he could be cross registered APHA.
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:52 am

Phantom is quite spectacular. If he can run some, he will acquire tons of fans.
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:07 pm

Retrospectiv wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?
Not necessarily from Bode. Likely a new KIT mutation. There have been other TBs who looked like true splash but never tested for it. Likely an unknown similar mutation.
Yes, he could be cross registered APHA.
Bode has been throwing a lot of loudly marked foals though these two from last year, especially the first colt presents a similar pattern so I don't think it's a spontaneous kit mutation. And these are just some of the flashiest examples, you can easily find more babies with plenty of chrome by him too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:15 pm

Starine wrote:Southern Phantom Set for Debut at Saratoga
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... t-saratoga
He finished fifth.
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:06 pm

Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.
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Retrospectiv wrote:Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.
Did you look at the first one in the instagram link? That's the colt I was referring to that has the exact same type of pattern expression as SP. (I couldn't get a separate picture to post)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Treve wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.
Did you look at the first one in the instagram link? That's the colt I was referring to that has the exact same type of pattern expression as SP. (I couldn't get a separate picture to post)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/
Yes I did.
While he's 'loud', he's really not splash phenotype and not that out of the ordinary.
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he has the classic over the eye white and his markings aren't jagged (so likely not sabino), he has four high stockings again not jagged although he seems to have a stray droplet and he has white over his chin. The only difference with SP is his eyes aren't blue and he doesn't have the full facial colouring, but splash doesn't even need to be expressed with a bald face. There are many examples where splash just manifests as wide blaze + chrome on the legs.

Not arguing that this IS splash but this colt's markings are in the same expression pattern as SP's so whatever it is I think it's safe to say it's not spontaneous.

Also not sure why you'd assume it's a spontaneous KIT mutation many patterns aren't on the KIT gene.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Treve wrote:he has the classic over the eye white and his markings aren't jagged (so likely not sabino), he has four high stockings again not jagged although he seems to have a stray droplet and he has white over his chin. The only difference with SP is his eyes aren't blue and he doesn't have the full facial colouring, but splash doesn't even need to be expressed with a bald face. There are many examples where splash just manifests as wide blaze + chrome on the legs.

Not arguing that this IS splash but this colt's markings are in the same expression pattern as SP's so whatever it is I think it's safe to say it's not spontaneous.

Also not sure why you'd assume it's a spontaneous KIT mutation many patterns aren't on the KIT gene.
Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
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Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
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TBird wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
They certainly mimic what was always thought to be sabino, but SB1 has not been found in TBs. They do carry a lot of other white patterns, and often one of those, combined with W20 (basically a white booster), will produce some interesting markings. There are clearly lots of unidentified white genes yet to be discovered :)

What are the lines on your filly, if you don't mind me asking, TBird?
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:23 am

Southern Phantom is entered in the second today at Saratoga. His trainer says if he does well they might try the Hopeful next. 😁
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He finished third after pushing the leader and eventual winner, Unionizer. He may improve off this race, but I don't know if the Hopeful would be a bit too hopeful, since that Spa juvy classic will probably be full of well-bred youngsters.
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Retrospectiv wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:02 am
TBird wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
They certainly mimic what was always thought to be sabino, but SB1 has not been found in TBs. They do carry a lot of other white patterns, and often one of those, combined with W20 (basically a white booster), will produce some interesting markings. There are clearly lots of unidentified white genes yet to be discovered :)

What are the lines on your filly, if you don't mind me asking, TBird?
She is by Animal Kingdom o/o an Afleet Alex mare.

I don't know how to post pictures here, but this is a link to a picture of her on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:21 pm

Oh my, TBird. She is exquisite!
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:26 pm

Thank you, Starine. We like her a lot. :)
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She looks so much like Marquetry! What a cutie! Let's hope she runs like him too. :mrgreen:
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