Breeders Cup Discussion?

Kezzz__
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:35 pm

Cant get away from Sistercharlie as the winner here but I'm expecting a massive run from Castle Lady. She'll love the ground, the extra distance, she's had a US race so will be used to the experience. Provided she gets a clean trip I think she'll be storming in late
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:37 pm

Kezzz__ wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:35 pm
Cant get away from Sistercharlie as the winner here but I'm expecting a massive run from Castle Lady. She'll love the ground, the extra distance, she's had a US race so will be used to the experience. Provided she gets a clean trip I think she'll be storming in late
Agree --- she's an excellent price too.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:47 pm

I just realized how Mrs. Sippy's name sounds like. Sigh.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:48 pm

Also am I really supposed to think Sistercharlie is better than Lady Eli?
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:49 pm

With the track riding as it is, what do they do with Serengeti Empress in the distaff? She's gone gate to wire before, even a couple of times I think, do they try that or come to close late?
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:50 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
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I just realized how Mrs. Sippy's name sounds like. Sigh.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:54 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:48 pm
Also am I really supposed to think Sistercharlie is better than Lady Eli?
Honestly, I think she is. But we'll see what she does today.
Kezzz__ wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:49 pm
With the track riding as it is, what do they do with Serengeti Empress in the distaff? She's gone gate to wire before, even a couple of times I think, do they try that or come to close late?
Her connections have previously said that she's winging it to the front no matter what. She's more interesting than she was, and she was plenty interesting before...
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:58 pm

Not today Sistercharlie, the Euro's are on the board!
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:00 pm

And just like that, thousands of pick-6s go up in flames. This course is very tough to close on.

Happy for Joseph O'Brien!
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:01 pm

I hate handicapping the turf. I'm literal trash at it.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:02 pm

Awesome for Vasilika!
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:02 pm

Yay for Joseph! She was my pick!

And generally speaking as Tessa said: if you aren't in the top 3 after the start... seems very, very hard to close.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:03 pm

Very pleased for Wayne Lordan too, never been a first choice jockey at Ballydoyle and this is his day in the sun. Confidence waining on Uni with every race, she'll have to be some beast to close on these, Got Stormy is more interesting now. Serengeti Empress however is another story. Yoshida will struggle to close in the Classic, hopefully War Of Will and Code Of Honor sits close to the pace
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:03 pm

How precocious is that O'Brien offspring? Youngest jockey to win a BC race (aboard the late, lamented St, Nicholas Abbey in the Turf), and now the youngest trainer to win a BC race. :D
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:04 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:01 pm
I hate handicapping the turf. I'm literal trash at it.
Don’t feel bad, I had the Dorf, er I mean Ward mare.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:05 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:03 pm
How precocious is that O'Brien offspring? Youngest jockey to win a BC race (aboard the late, lamented St, Nicholas Abbey in the Turf), and now the youngest trainer to win a BC race. :D
It's not hard when you've got the right last name.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:06 pm

If Mount Everest makes the pace for Anthony Van Dyck he could be very interesting at around 16/1. Bricks And Mortar as a closer, with questions on the distance? Not for me now, unfortunately I've already bet him earlier in the week!

Mongolian Groom another pacesetter who could run big at a price in the Classic
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:06 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:03 pm
How precocious is that O'Brien offspring? Youngest jockey to win a BC race (aboard the late, lamented St, Nicholas Abbey in the Turf), and now the youngest trainer to win a BC race. :D
Well, in all fairness he was practically born with silks on his back and a stop watch in hand :D
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:07 pm

Curtis wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:04 pm
Somnambulist wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:01 pm
I hate handicapping the turf. I'm literal trash at it.
Don’t feel bad, I had the Dorf, er I mean Ward mare.
It eludes me. At some point I had hoped to get smarter about it!
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:07 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:01 pm
I hate handicapping the turf. I'm literal trash at it.
Don't feel bad, I 'm not sure these fully qualify as turf races...

Iridessa was a great example of the value of checking overseas markets. 5-1 clear second favorite abroad, 13-1 here. Still, it's awfully tough to judge where these horses are going to be early. How on earth do we evaluate the Mile, a paceless race run over a pace-favoring course?
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