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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:36 pm
by Carotene
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:She's very antsy...not surprising for a mare who just came off the track. She looks good. Better than she did last Friday. :? Probably because she's more hydrated.
$6,000,000.
Love the stretch she did just before she left the ring. Cat-like. :D
I was thinking all of this too! :)

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:36 pm
by sweettalk
starrydreamer wrote:
sweettalk wrote:
starrydreamer wrote:$2.3M for Cathryn Sophia. I think she's the first million dollar horse in this sale (she was hip 30).
stateside? please stay stateside...
Stateside. Went to Bridlewood and Don Alberto.

We are a handful of hips away from Stellar Wind.
i almost started crying. i'm so relieved.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:37 pm
by Macaroni
Carotene wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:She's very antsy...not surprising for a mare who just came off the track. She looks good. Better than she did last Friday. :? Probably because she's more hydrated.
$6,000,000.
Love the stretch she did just before she left the ring. Cat-like. :D
I was thinking all of this too! :)
Ditto. She looked stunning. And I laughed out loud at that stretch - adorable.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:38 pm
by mosieposie12
Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:40 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Interesting. Curlin isn't known for his grass runners, so I wonder if she stays here at Ashford to be bred to a dirt stallion. Perhaps to create a potential Derby-type horse?
ETA: OK, AP would definitely fit that description. :lol:

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:41 pm
by Ioya Two
Actually the first million dollar horse was hip 1 lol

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:42 pm
by Macaroni
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Interesting. Curlin isn't known for his grass runners, so I wonder if she stays here at Ashford to be bred to a dirt stallion. Perhaps to create a potential Derby-type horse?
Claire Novak-Crosby‏ @BH_CNovak 3m3 minutes ago
Stellar Wind sells to Coolmore, will be bred to American Pharoah

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:42 pm
by starrydreamer
mosieposie12 wrote:Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah
I was wrong. Coolmore was definitely interested in her.

And I was wrong again because the first hip was the first million dollar horse. Talk about starting with a bang!

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:45 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
157 is a stout grey Into Mischief colt out of a UBS mare. Might be fast. ;)
$320,000. Pretty good for a weanling.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:47 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
158, Street Fancy, will probably bring $$$. A stakes-winning Street Sense filly in foal to MdO.
$1,500,000.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:55 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
163, Tammy the Torpedo, should be attractive to someone like Coolmore. A winning More Than Ready mare in foal to War Front? ;) And she's really pretty.
$1,650,000.
ETA: She sold to Dr. Masatake Iida. Anyone familiar with who this is?

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:51 pm
by TapitsGal
Anyone know who bought life at ten and criminologist

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:37 pm
by starrydreamer
TapitsGal wrote:Anyone know who bought life at ten and criminologist
Life at Ten bought by SF Bloodstock, which has horses in the US, UK, Ireland, France, and Australia.

Criminologist bought by Brushy Hill Equine.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:09 pm
by Ballerina
mosieposie12 wrote:Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah
Nicks out to a C. Guess one can't always go by a nicking system.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:59 pm
by Treve
Ballerina wrote:
mosieposie12 wrote:Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah
Nicks out to a C. Guess one can't always go by a nicking system.
Well, Street Cry x Vertigineux was a D before Zenyatta was born, it's not perfect by any means :D

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:33 pm
by Macaroni
So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves. "We just thought she was a beautiful, balanced filly, and maybe one of the best in the sale. American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that? Is that not just a waste of money? I assume he's just taking a chance that for some reason he can re-sell her for a higher price than he purchased her for, but given the fact that at next year's sale, she and all the other AP foals will still only be yearlings, AP still won't have proven himself as a sire...nothing will change other than his foals will be bigger and conformationally slightly more defined. Am I wrong?

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:47 pm
by Ridan_Remembered
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:56 pm
by Macaroni
Ridan_Remembered wrote:
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.
Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:08 pm
by Ridan_Remembered
Macaroni wrote:Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)
You're very welcome. Oh, by the way, no question is "dumb" to me. If you want additional info, here's a good article from The Paulick Report: https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray- ... pinhooking

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:11 pm
by Treve
Macaroni wrote:
Ridan_Remembered wrote:
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.
Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)
It can be risky but if you look at the Cairo Prince weanlings that were bought last year, then look at his yearling sales this year, whoever bothered to pinhook a yearling or two probably hit a home run.