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TapitsGal
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:47 pm

I'm not sure Catholic boy is even worth a 25k fee
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:12 pm

Retrospectiv wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:21 pm
Catholic Boy retired....... no reason given :cry:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... oNMtGwjPxg
Dang. You would think they would give him a chance in the Breeder's Cup; he's so versatile, they definitely had options for him. The only time he placed worse than fourth in his entire career was the Classic.
TapitsGal wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:47 pm
I'm not sure Catholic boy is even worth a 25k fee
IMO, it's more reasonable than other recently retired stallions. He has a nice pedigree and race record, raced past 3 (and did well), and the duel surfaced G1s helped his case a lot.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:54 pm

TapitsGal wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:47 pm
I'm not sure Catholic boy is even worth a 25k fee
Let's make a comparison to another recent Claiborne retiree whose initial fee was also $25K. Longpost, sorry in advance.

Mastery was undefeated in 4 starts, all on dirt, with the bulk of his wins coming as a juvenile. He was retired after fracturing his colyndar bone when winning the San Felipe as a 3 year old. He won the G1 Los Al Futurity as a juvenile over an "eh" field. Mastery has a wonderful female family, with Jump Start, Miswaki, and others featuring in it. He's a son of Candy Ride, a stallion who gains more momentum every year, and if his son Twirling Candy is any indication, he's a future sire or sires.

Catholic Boy was a GSW every year he ran, which is three years, from 2 to 5. He has won G1s on both turf and dirt, and he is also one pf only two horses - the others being Secretariat and California Chrome- to win a G1 on both surfaces as a 3 year old. He also ran against and defeated better company than Mastery. He won the Travers Stakes, which is one of the more prestigious 3yo races. He appears to have retired sound (not that retiring with an injury means the horse is unsound and will 100% have unsound offspring, because injuries happen). He's a 6 time GSW and multimillionaire. His sire More Than Ready has several sons at stud, most of which are young, but his son Custom For Carlos has a G1 winner. Catholic Boy's female side is not as impressive as Mastery's, but there are several stakes winners/producers in the first five generations and even foreign champions.

So there you go. My personal opinion is that Catholic Boy, at least on paper, is more versatile, and would draw turf breeders more than Mastery. Turf racing is getting more popular, which helps, and its always a good thing for a stallion to be marketable to both markets. The current American dirt market is precocious juvy speed, speed, and more speed, but Catholic Boy was a stakes winner at two on dirt, so he has that area covered. He also has the "classic sophomore" area covered. Turf? He's got it covered. And, for the breeders (that are still out there) who like longevity, he's got that covered as well. His sire MTR is also known to sire top performers on turf and dirt, more so than Candy Ride.

In conclusion, IMO, Catholic Boy warrants the $25K for his first year more than Mastery did. But, breeders paid the $25K for him, so what do I know?
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:06 pm

Horsebagger wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:35 pm
Group 3 placed St Patrick's Day, a full brother to American Pharoah, will stand at @JourneymanStud in Florida in 2020.
-Nicole Russo twitter post

1 for 10 lifetime. So yeah, of course.
Shame, he'd make someone a nice gelding.
Did they ever run him on the dirt by the way? Or did they just keep running him on turf?
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mylute
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:13 pm

Treve wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:06 pm
Horsebagger wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:35 pm
Group 3 placed St Patrick's Day, a full brother to American Pharoah, will stand at @JourneymanStud in Florida in 2020.
-Nicole Russo twitter post

1 for 10 lifetime. So yeah, of course.
Shame, he'd make someone a nice gelding.
Did they ever run him on the dirt by the way? Or did they just keep running him on turf?
He broke his maiden on the dirt.

I guess Coolmore decided they would try to make a turf horse out of him, or bust.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:21 pm

Mylute wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:13 pm
Treve wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:06 pm
Horsebagger wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:35 pm
Group 3 placed St Patrick's Day, a full brother to American Pharoah, will stand at @JourneymanStud in Florida in 2020.
-Nicole Russo twitter post

1 for 10 lifetime. So yeah, of course.
Shame, he'd make someone a nice gelding.
Did they ever run him on the dirt by the way? Or did they just keep running him on turf?
He broke his maiden on the dirt.

I guess Coolmore decided they would try to make a turf horse out of him, or bust.
I legitimately had completely forgotten he ran for Baffert on the dirt in his first two. That seems like a lifetime ago...

Even more of a shame then. I think I know why they did that but still...
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:14 pm

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:52 pm
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -stud-fees

Audible @ $25,000.. no thank you
Now there's one who isn't worth the $25K. But Win$tar will get him 100+ nonetheless.

Anybody know if TCI is back from Soko yet?
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:24 pm

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Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:30 pm
New Year’s Day has arrived at Shadai Stallion Station this morning.

https://shadai-ss.com/cms/wp-content/up ... YD_200.pdf
Wow, he is much uglier than I realized. I really like his pedigree, though, and I hope he does well in Japan. I don't think the US market ever really gave him much of a shot.
I mean, how much of a shot did he warrant? He won the BC Juvenile but never raced at 3. It's great that he got a horse like Maximum Security, but I think it was mostly the Wests who supported him. I guess Shadai wants to get in on the Street Cry legacy, and he will be a good outcross for all of those Sunday Silence mares, and with King Kamehameha and Deep Impact gone, there's about 300 top class mares that need new matches in 2020.
Let's be real. When Tapit went to stud, were his credentials significantly better than NYD's? He made a few more starts, but they both retired with a single G1 win and some pedigree behind them.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:00 pm

you could go crazy applying that to a very large number of stallions, though. they can't all be tapit.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:17 pm

sweettalk wrote:
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you could go crazy applying that to a very large number of stallions, though. they can't all be tapit.
I read her point to be more of the 'he's deserving of a chance' variety.
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Horsebagger wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:17 pm
sweettalk wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:00 pm
you could go crazy applying that to a very large number of stallions, though. they can't all be tapit.
I read her point to be more of the 'he's deserving of a chance' variety.
Yes. I wasn't implying he could have become a Tapit. Few are.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:51 am

Mylute wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:14 pm
mosieposie12 wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:52 pm
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -stud-fees

Audible @ $25,000.. no thank you
Now there's one who isn't worth the $25K. But Win$tar will get him 100+ nonetheless.

Anybody know if TCI is back from Soko yet?
Not sure but is 2020 fee is listed at $17,500.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:58 am

Retrospectiv wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:21 pm
Catholic Boy retired....... no reason given :cry:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... oNMtGwjPxg
No time wasted, on the farm already.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:52 pm

Mylute wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:14 pm
mosieposie12 wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:52 pm
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -stud-fees

Audible @ $25,000.. no thank you
Now there's one who isn't worth the $25K. But Win$tar will get him 100+ nonetheless.

Anybody know if TCI is back from Soko yet?
He hasn't had a returns submitted with the Jockey Club yet. He'll have to clear quarantine even if he is back in the US, it takes weeks because of him being used as a breeding stallion and that South Korea has had outbreaks of Contagious Equine Metritis.

From the USDA imports from South Korea to the US for breeding stallions, in accordance to CEM:
Testing of stallions consists of one set of culture swabs from the external genitalia, followed by live cover breeding to 2 test mares. The stallion’s external genitalia will be scrubbed and coated with an antibiotic ointment for 5 days following test breeding. Beginning on day 3 after breeding, culture swabs are collected from the test mare on 3 separate occasions over a 12 day period. Test mares are tested by CF between days 21-28 after breeding. All cultures and CF results from the stallion and test mares must be negative in order for the stallion to be released from quarantine. If any tests are positive, the cultures, test breeding and treatment procedures are repeated until negative results are obtained.
mosieposie12
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:00 pm

I knew someone else was missing from Win$tar. Daredevil??
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:22 am

Take Charge Indy has yet to leave Korea
Revolutionary has been renamed Regal Embrace in Korea
Ask me any questions you have about New Zealand and Australia racing
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RugbyGirl wrote:
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Take Charge Indy has yet to leave Korea
Revolutionary has been renamed Regal Embrace in Korea
....?
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Flanders
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:19 am

RugbyGirl wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:22 am
Take Charge Indy has yet to leave Korea
Revolutionary has been renamed Regal Embrace in Korea
I think its an error in the studbook as there is a mare with the same import date as Revolutionary and her name is Regal Embrace. Her registration is also only 1 number different.
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:30 pm

I was wondering if Korean racing, like China, doesn't like horse names with any reference to war or violence.
I've seen quite a few horses bought for Hong Kong racing that had their names changed because their original moniker had words like War, Battle, Revolt or Rebellion. IIRC, the War Front colt Lines of Battle became Helene Superstar (and a gelding?) when he was exported to Hong Kong.
The Chinese racing Powers-That-Be really seem to prefer names that are happy...and communistically respectable. No rebels or fighters or freedom activists, please. ;) :roll:
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