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Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:43 pm
by stark
Soooo, what do the authorities say to Mr Pletcher and Mr Repole now.....

Today's third race at Aqueduct there was an entry from them.

Last time out, a Tonalist filly - Always A Queen ran in a straight maiden affair for her 2nd lifetime race and was pulled up on the backstretch and walked off the course under her own power.

Today, about a month later she is entered for a $30,000 claiming tag. Based on her first race, plus 3 regularly scheduled weekly workouts since being pulled up, the public unloaded at the windows sending her off as the 4/5 favorite.

When last seen, she was "limping" across the finish line, not sure what the chart will say but beaten 77 lengths won't be far off, and I'm a little curious to see if she got claimed.

What do you say should have been done to prevent a performance like that?

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:51 pm
by Kurenai
Open vet records. Would protect the betting public and the people who maybe want to claim her too. ;)

Edit to say: doubt they would even let her start then, cause there won't be any chance they could unload her. What else can I say about it, absolutely disgusting. I hope nobody claimed her and that her injury isn't worse and they retire her now and retrain her.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:52 pm
by Somnambulist
Thank God another horse was hurt so I can stick it to them! Woohoo!

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:55 pm
by stark
Somnambulist wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Thank God another horse was hurt so I can stick it to them! Woohoo!
WTF, who said that, PETA?

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:57 pm
by Kurenai
stark wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:55 pm
Somnambulist wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Thank God another horse was hurt so I can stick it to them! Woohoo!
WTF, who said that, PETA?
It was a sarcastic remark, because someone else said that on this forum are a few posters who are happy when another horse gets hurt.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:08 pm
by stark

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:12 pm
by stark
Kurenai wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:51 pm
Open vet records. Would protect the betting public and the people who maybe want to claim her too. ;)
Image

Take a look at that crowd of fans and gamblers at Aqueduct. Do they really impress you as a group that could decipher vet records from multiple resources? I think not. What the public has done in lieu of vet records is develop profiles on trainers, who can be trusted and who can't in certain situations then wager accordingly. On occasion there's one like today from Pletcher that slips thru the cracks.

If there isn't already, there should be HIPAA for horses.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:02 pm
by Kurenai
You think that gambler won't learn what to look after in vet records, when they had to learn everything else? :roll: They would figure it out.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:08 pm
by stark
Kurenai wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:02 pm
You think that gambler won't learn what to look after in vet records, when they had to learn everything else? :roll: They would figure it out.
Step one is to train vets on how to write industry standard medical records, get back to me when that's accomplished, thanks.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 pm
by Tessablue
Just to clarify for those reading, the chart says Always a Queen was uninjured. (http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEm ... y=USA&rn=4). It seems she wants nothing to do with being a racehorse. Edited to add that she was uninjured in today's race as well: http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEm ... y=USA&rn=3

This thread appears to exist only because stark is aggrieved towards certain people who have critcized SA while complimenting Pletcher and Repole. If there were any genuine interest in breakdown prevention efforts, surely one of the several other threads on this topic would have done nicely.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:25 pm
by Somnambulist
Tessablue wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 pm
Just to clarify for those reading, the chart says Always a Queen was uninjured. (http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEm ... y=USA&rn=4). It seems she wants nothing to do with being a racehorse.

This thread appears to exist only because stark is aggrieved towards certain people who have critcized SA while complimenting Pletcher and Repole. If there were any genuine interest in breakdown prevention efforts, surely one of the several other threads on this topic would have done nicely.
Yeah bingo. My reply was sarcastic but definitely for these reasons.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:38 pm
by stark
Kurenai,

Anything you can do about the personal attacks that have absolutely zero to do with the conversation?

Thanks.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:41 pm
by stark
Tessablue wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 pm
Just to clarify for those reading, the chart says Always a Queen was uninjured. (http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEm ... y=USA&rn=4). It seems she wants nothing to do with being a racehorse.
If true, then why enter her again after that race you provided the chart for?

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:56 pm
by stark
Now you've posted her last two race charts and you state it says "she was uninjured"

Can you please point that out to me where it is.

thanks.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:48 pm
by stark
For those reading along that are just curious when it comes to accident prevention, perhaps there's something in this....

Race dates were
11/8/19
10/5/19
9/1/19

Workout dates were for this 2YO were...

Track Date Course Distance Time Note Rank
Belmont Park 11/01/2019 Dirt training 4F 48.70 Breezing 8/24
Belmont Park 10/24/2019 Dirt training 4F 51.00 Breezing 32/35
Belmont Park 10/16/2019 Dirt training 4F 51.11 Breezing 34/42
Saratoga 09/28/2019 Dirt training 4F 49.12 Breezing 8/70
Saratoga 09/21/2019 Dirt training 5F 1:02.75 Breezing 3/10
Saratoga 09/15/2019 Dirt training 4F 50.29 Breezing 40/56
Saratoga 08/25/2019 Dirt 4F 48.29 Breezing 7/70
Saratoga 08/19/2019 Dirt 5F 1:01.23 Breezing 3/6
Saratoga 08/11/2019 Dirt 5F 1:02.55 Breezing 29/41
Saratoga 08/04/2019 Dirt 4F 48.05 Breezing 8/94
Saratoga 07/28/2019 Dirt 5F 1:02.08 Breezing 23/36
Saratoga 07/21/2019 Dirt 4F 49.92 Breezing 64/101
Saratoga 07/01/2019 Turf training 5F 1:03.42 Breezing 12/18
Saratoga 06/26/2019 Dirt training 4F 49.28 Breezing 13/44
Saratoga 06/20/2019 Dirt training 4F 50.43 Breezing 34/44
Saratoga 06/12/2019 Dirt training 3F 38.47 Breezing 10/24
Saratoga 05/30/2019 Dirt training 3F 38.11 Breezing 27/44
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 05/07/2019 Dirt 4F 51.20 Breezing 1/2
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 04/27/2019 Dirt 3F 37.25 Breezing 1/5
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 04/12/2019 Dirt 3F 38.60 Breezing 5/5
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 04/04/2019 Dirt 3F 38.20 Breezing 6/7
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 03/23/2019 Dirt 3F 38.80 Breezing 6/9
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 03/13/2019 Dirt 2F 24.40 Breezing 3/5
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 03/02/2019 Dirt 2F 24.30 Breezing 11/32
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 02/22/2019 Dirt 2F 25.00 Breezing 26/37
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 02/15/2019 Dirt 2F 26.00 Breezing 3/5
Crupi's New Castle Farm, Inc. 02/08/2019 Dirt 1F 13.40 Breezing 5/10

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm
by RugbyGirl
This is a good example of transparency
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatCummingsT ... 5461429250

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:22 pm
by thinair
stark wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:12 pm
Kurenai wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:51 pm
Open vet records. Would protect the betting public and the people who maybe want to claim her too. ;)
Image

Take a look at that crowd of fans and gamblers at Aqueduct. Do they really impress you as a group that could decipher vet records from multiple resources? I think not. What the public has done in lieu of vet records is develop profiles on trainers, who can be trusted and who can't in certain situations then wager accordingly. On occasion there's one like today from Pletcher that slips thru the cracks.

If there isn't already, there should be HIPAA for horses.
What is the point of this? Elitism? Racism? Both?

God you're awful.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:26 pm
by stark
thinair wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:22 pm
God you're awful.
Kurenai,

Can you please do something about the personal attacks that having nothing to do with the conversation, thanks.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:27 pm
by Somnambulist
You're the one who posted a picture of a mix of races saying that they can't figure out a vet record. If you don't want to be called it don't act like it.

Re: Accident Prevention

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:35 pm
by Kurenai
Well Stark, you basically said that "look at that crowd, you think they can figure that out?" Implying that the average gambler is stupid. So if you dish it out like that, insulting a whole bunch of people, you have to be able to take it too.