Baffert's Most Talented Trainee

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Been following this sport since I was 11 years old (~1982) and Arrogate's DWC was the single best performance I've seen live by any horse on the dirt.
So, Arrogate for me.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:49 pm

HAS to be AP. No other horse, not even Zenyatta, Chrome, or my beloved Kelso, ever had me in tears as Pharoah did during his Belmont run.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:17 pm

stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:54 pm
Curtis wrote:
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The only jock, that cones to mind, that never wavered much on their best ever was Pincay with Affirmed. For all others, I take it with a grain of salt. As I’ve often said because of Gary, I had to buy stock in Morton’s. He has said it about unraced 2yo’s. Whenever I hear him say it, my eyes immediately begin rolling to the extent I can hear my late mother say, “You better stop that, your face will stay like that.”
I forget the exact question, but the answer Pincay gave in one interview was Landaluce!
The greatest quote concerning Landaluce was from Ray Sabille who rode the runner up in the Hollywood Lassie. After the race he mischievously tried to ride his mount into the winner’s circle. When asked why, Sabille answered, “Well, I thought we won.......we beat everything I could see.”
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:22 pm

Curtis wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:17 pm
stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:54 pm
Curtis wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:50 pm

The only jock, that cones to mind, that never wavered much on their best ever was Pincay with Affirmed. For all others, I take it with a grain of salt. As I’ve often said because of Gary, I had to buy stock in Morton’s. He has said it about unraced 2yo’s. Whenever I hear him say it, my eyes immediately begin rolling to the extent I can hear my late mother say, “You better stop that, your face will stay like that.”
I forget the exact question, but the answer Pincay gave in one interview was Landaluce!
The greatest quote concerning Landaluce was from Ray Sabille who rode the runner up in the Hollywood Lassie. After the race he mischievously tried to ride his mount into the winner’s circle. When asked why, Sabille answered, “Well, I thought we won.......we beat everything I could see.”
Quick question.

IIRC Landaluce was buried in the infield of Hollywood Park. Was her grave (and others) moved?
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Mylute wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:22 pm
Curtis wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:17 pm
stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:54 pm


I forget the exact question, but the answer Pincay gave in one interview was Landaluce!
The greatest quote concerning Landaluce was from Ray Sabille who rode the runner up in the Hollywood Lassie. After the race he mischievously tried to ride his mount into the winner’s circle. When asked why, Sabille answered, “Well, I thought we won.......we beat everything I could see.”
Quick question.

IIRC Landaluce was buried in the infield of Hollywood Park. Was her grave (and others) moved?
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:00 pm

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Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:01 am

Pretty sure Stevens said that about every horse he rode.
You're just kidding, right?
Yes and no. I typed it as a joke but Gary did like to say that about a lot of horses. Other horses included in that list are Beholder and Rock Hard Ten and I know there were others.
Well then, maybe it was me who was just kidding, but then again it's not funny if you have to explain ,'em. Sorry for any confusion I caused.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:45 pm

stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:00 pm
Flanders wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:59 pm
stark wrote:
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You're just kidding, right?
Yes and no. I typed it as a joke but Gary did like to say that about a lot of horses. Other horses included in that list are Beholder and Rock Hard Ten and I know there were others.
Well then, maybe it was me who was just kidding, but then again it's not funny if you have to explain ,'em. Sorry for any confusion I caused.
I would have accused you of jesting but I know your name’s not Shirley.😉
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:00 pm

Speaking of surely. What are the odds of two conversations in same thread involving Ray Sibille?
Landaluce and Great Communicator were the triggers!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:02 pm

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Not intending to hijack the thread as I do find it interesting, what if we try a different trainer, is it any easier to pick the most talented in the barn?



English Channel Horse $5,319,028
Ashado Mare $3,931,440
Stopchargingmaria Mare $3,014,000
Honey Ryder Mare $2,879,200
Palace Malice Horse $2,691,135 .
Flower Alley Horse $2,533,910
Always Dreaming Horse $2,391,760
Balto Star Gelding $2,363,780
Neolithic Horse $2,278,028
Wait a While Mare $2,181,917 .
Magna Graduate Horse $2,135,564
Harlan's Holiday Horse $2,116,100
Princess of Sylmar Mare $2,017,220
Stay Thirsty Horse $1,936,000
Unbridled Belle Mare $1,895,003
Super Saver Horse $1,889,766
Shanghai Bobby Horse $1,857,000
Audible Colt $1,770,520
Bluegrass Cat Horse $1,761,280
Mshawish Horse $1,752,900
Uh...my head hurts.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 pm

IMHO, AP was the whole package: Fast while still capable of running more than a mile, sound, great conformation and with the sort of temperament that you almost never see. Smart but tractable, kind around people but a fierce competitor on the track.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:06 pm

Who does TAP mention as being on his all-time list?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:14 pm

stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:56 am
Not intending to hijack the thread as I do find it interesting, what if we try a different trainer, is it any easier to pick the most talented in the barn?



English Channel Horse $5,319,028
Ashado Mare $3,931,440
Stopchargingmaria Mare $3,014,000
Honey Ryder Mare $2,879,200
Palace Malice Horse $2,691,135 .
Flower Alley Horse $2,533,910
Always Dreaming Horse $2,391,760
Balto Star Gelding $2,363,780
Neolithic Horse $2,278,028
Wait a While Mare $2,181,917 .
Magna Graduate Horse $2,135,564
Harlan's Holiday Horse $2,116,100
Princess of Sylmar Mare $2,017,220
Stay Thirsty Horse $1,936,000
Unbridled Belle Mare $1,895,003
Super Saver Horse $1,889,766
Shanghai Bobby Horse $1,857,000
Audible Colt $1,770,520
Bluegrass Cat Horse $1,761,280
Mshawish Horse $1,752,900
You left out Rags To Riches.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:16 pm

Spahny wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:14 pm
stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:56 am
Not intending to hijack the thread as I do find it interesting, what if we try a different trainer, is it any easier to pick the most talented in the barn?



English Channel Horse $5,319,028
Ashado Mare $3,931,440
Stopchargingmaria Mare $3,014,000
Honey Ryder Mare $2,879,200
Palace Malice Horse $2,691,135 .
Flower Alley Horse $2,533,910
Always Dreaming Horse $2,391,760
Balto Star Gelding $2,363,780
Neolithic Horse $2,278,028
Wait a While Mare $2,181,917 .
Magna Graduate Horse $2,135,564
Harlan's Holiday Horse $2,116,100
Princess of Sylmar Mare $2,017,220
Stay Thirsty Horse $1,936,000
Unbridled Belle Mare $1,895,003
Super Saver Horse $1,889,766
Shanghai Bobby Horse $1,857,000
Audible Colt $1,770,520
Bluegrass Cat Horse $1,761,280
Mshawish Horse $1,752,900
You left out Rags To Riches.
As well as the exceptional Keen Ice.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:23 pm

stark wrote:
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Speaking of surely. What are the odds of two conversations in same thread involving Ray Sibille?
Landaluce and Great Communicator were the triggers!
That was a sad day when Great Communicator went wrong. He also should have won the Eclipse in 1988. Never have been able to figure that one out.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:30 pm

Spahny wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:14 pm
stark wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:56 am
Not intending to hijack the thread as I do find it interesting, what if we try a different trainer, is it any easier to pick the most talented in the barn?



English Channel Horse $5,319,028
Ashado Mare $3,931,440
Stopchargingmaria Mare $3,014,000
Honey Ryder Mare $2,879,200
Palace Malice Horse $2,691,135 .
Flower Alley Horse $2,533,910
Always Dreaming Horse $2,391,760
Balto Star Gelding $2,363,780
Neolithic Horse $2,278,028
Wait a While Mare $2,181,917 .
Magna Graduate Horse $2,135,564
Harlan's Holiday Horse $2,116,100
Princess of Sylmar Mare $2,017,220
Stay Thirsty Horse $1,936,000
Unbridled Belle Mare $1,895,003
Super Saver Horse $1,889,766
Shanghai Bobby Horse $1,857,000
Audible Colt $1,770,520
Bluegrass Cat Horse $1,761,280
Mshawish Horse $1,752,900
You left out Rags To Riches.
Sorry, that was just off the top of my head
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:53 pm

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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 pm
IMHO, AP was the whole package: Fast while still capable of running more than a mile, sound, great conformation and with the sort of temperament that you almost never see. Smart but tractable, kind around people but a fierce competitor on the track.
totally agree--he was the whole package--love himto pieces
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:49 pm

Spahny pretty much summer up why I feel American Pharoah was Baffert's best. This was not to say that Arrogate was not also brilliant at times but his rise was meteoric by contrast.

Pletcher's best horse, I think, was Left Bank. He came back from colic surgery as a young horse to beat Breeders' Cup winner Squirtle Squirt in the Vosburgh in 1:20.73, and then closed out his four-year-old season with a win in the Cigar Mile. At five he set a track record by winning the Tom Fool in 1:20.17, and then he stretched to take the Whitney in 1:47.04 (equaling the track record). It was his final start, as he had another bout of colic that cost him his life.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:01 pm

Top twenty by earnings, it really is quite an amazing list to choose from....

Arrogate Horse $17,422,600 Grade 1 Winner Pegasus World Cup Invitational S.
American Pharoah Horse $8,650,300 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Classic
Captain Steve Horse $6,828,356 Grade 1 Winner Emirates Airline Dubai World Cup
Game On Dude Gelding $6,470,543 Grade 1 Winner TVG Pacific Classic S.
West Coast Horse $5,803,800 Grade 1 Winner Travers S. Presented by NYRA Bets
Hoppertunity Horse $4,712,625 Grade 1 Winner Jockey Club Gold Cup S.
Bayern Ridgling $4,454,930 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Classic
Silver Charm Horse $4,444,369 Grade 1 Winner Kentucky Derby
Point Given Horse $3,968,500 Grade 1 Winner Haskell Invitational H.
Justify Colt $3,798,000 Grade 1 Winner Kentucky Derby presented by Woodford Reserve
Secret Circle Horse $3,670,790 Grade 1 Winner Dubai Golden Shaheen Sponsored By Gulf News
Lookin At Lucky Horse $3,307,278 Grade 1 Winner Izod Haskell Invitational S.
Real Quiet Horse $3,271,802 Grade 1 Winner Kentucky Derby
Congaree Horse $3,267,490 Grade 1 Winner Hollywood Gold Cup
War Emblem Horse $3,125,000 Grade 1 Winner Kentucky Derby
Silverbulletday Mare $3,093,207 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies
Indian Blessing Mare $2,995,420 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies
Collected Horse $2,975,500 Grade 1 Winner $1 Million TVG Pacific Classic S.
General Challenge Gelding $2,877,178 Grade 1 Winner Pacific Classic S.
Midnight Lute Horse $2,690,600 Grade 1 Winner Sentient Flight Group Breeders' Cup Sprint
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:14 pm

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Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:49 pm
Spahny pretty much summer up why I feel American Pharoah was Baffert's best. This was not to say that Arrogate was not also brilliant at times but his rise was meteoric by contrast.

Pletcher's best horse, I think, was Left Bank. He came back from colic surgery as a young horse to beat Breeders' Cup winner Squirtle Squirt in the Vosburgh in 1:20.73, and then closed out his four-year-old season with a win in the Cigar Mile. At five he set a track record by winning the Tom Fool in 1:20.17, and then he stretched to take the Whitney in 1:47.04 (equaling the track record). It was his final start, as he had another bout of colic that cost him his life.
Left Bank was a giant talent. His death was one of three Pletcher trainer horses that died during a very short span during that Summer in Saratoga, all after somewhat surprisingly strong efforts. Warners after an eight length allowance win and Freedom's Daughter, who drew off to an easy win in the Adirondack after engaging in an excruciating early pace battle. Left Bank chased a wicked pace set by a Jerkens horse, whose name escapes me, in that Whitney, yet still easily defeated Street Cry and Lido Palace.
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:27 am

Early excellence is true excellence and absolute excellence. If they ever ran that all-time dream race the horses who dominated the Triple Crown would also dominate the race, as all the late blooming stiffs ran up the track, as deserved.

I always have to laugh at all the rationalizations to exclude the brilliant young horses in favor of the ones who showed up later and to less relevance.

Just because fans keep following the races for the remainder of the year doesn't mean those races are as meaningful. It is priceless that so many suckers try to pretend they are more meaningful.

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