horses with unique coloring/facial markings

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Treve
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:53 pm

he has the classic over the eye white and his markings aren't jagged (so likely not sabino), he has four high stockings again not jagged although he seems to have a stray droplet and he has white over his chin. The only difference with SP is his eyes aren't blue and he doesn't have the full facial colouring, but splash doesn't even need to be expressed with a bald face. There are many examples where splash just manifests as wide blaze + chrome on the legs.

Not arguing that this IS splash but this colt's markings are in the same expression pattern as SP's so whatever it is I think it's safe to say it's not spontaneous.

Also not sure why you'd assume it's a spontaneous KIT mutation many patterns aren't on the KIT gene.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 pm

Treve wrote:he has the classic over the eye white and his markings aren't jagged (so likely not sabino), he has four high stockings again not jagged although he seems to have a stray droplet and he has white over his chin. The only difference with SP is his eyes aren't blue and he doesn't have the full facial colouring, but splash doesn't even need to be expressed with a bald face. There are many examples where splash just manifests as wide blaze + chrome on the legs.

Not arguing that this IS splash but this colt's markings are in the same expression pattern as SP's so whatever it is I think it's safe to say it's not spontaneous.

Also not sure why you'd assume it's a spontaneous KIT mutation many patterns aren't on the KIT gene.
Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:22 pm

Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:02 am

TBird wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
They certainly mimic what was always thought to be sabino, but SB1 has not been found in TBs. They do carry a lot of other white patterns, and often one of those, combined with W20 (basically a white booster), will produce some interesting markings. There are clearly lots of unidentified white genes yet to be discovered :)

What are the lines on your filly, if you don't mind me asking, TBird?
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:23 am

Southern Phantom is entered in the second today at Saratoga. His trainer says if he does well they might try the Hopeful next. 😁
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:41 pm

He finished third after pushing the leader and eventual winner, Unionizer. He may improve off this race, but I don't know if the Hopeful would be a bit too hopeful, since that Spa juvy classic will probably be full of well-bred youngsters.
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Retrospectiv wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:02 am
TBird wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Absolutely NOT sabino, as there is NO SB1 in thoroughbreds...

And again, SP is a far more extreme patterned version here. I assumed KIT mutation as TBs have a notoriously unstable KIT, and it's a pattern that's cropped up in several other TBs. So far, not tested positive for SW1, 2,3 or 4. Hopefully they'll test a few of them and find out if there's a common gene present in TBs.
I'm surprised to hear there are no sabino TBs. We have a filly who certainly appears to be one.
They certainly mimic what was always thought to be sabino, but SB1 has not been found in TBs. They do carry a lot of other white patterns, and often one of those, combined with W20 (basically a white booster), will produce some interesting markings. There are clearly lots of unidentified white genes yet to be discovered :)

What are the lines on your filly, if you don't mind me asking, TBird?
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:21 pm

Oh my, TBird. She is exquisite!
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:26 pm

Thank you, Starine. We like her a lot. :)
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 pm

She looks so much like Marquetry! What a cutie! Let's hope she runs like him too. :mrgreen:
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:36 pm

She's gorgeous, TBird! And her name sure does fit her. Can't wait to see her on the track.
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Treve
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:14 am

She's lovely even without the markings she'd be!
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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