"Bubble" and "Watch" horse thread

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Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:19 pm

In light of all the discussion of Strapping Groom, and others -thought I would go ahead a start a place for horses that may be on the "Bubble"- horses that are dropping from a former higher level- but not down to the basement and still somewhat competitive. Then, you also have "Watch" horses- horses that no longer running at a previous higher level (or even always at claiming ranks) who may have one hoof on a van to a feed lot. Don't need to put either label on them- just so people know about them and a few brief comments help as well.

Have been meaning to start this for sometime- just a central place for horses that need some more eyes on them to hopefully avoid bad things. We can also add trainers that also seem to have a lot of these horses and run them beyond their abilities as well.

Feel free to submit these horses as need be- in a perfect world, there would be no need- but it is what it is.
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:51 pm

May or may not be relevant but Unstoppable U is slipping down the AOC and claim ranks over his last few races ($40k to $25k). Some of you may remember he finished 6th in the Belmont in 2012.

Now racing mostly at Churchill and Indiana Grand
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:02 pm

Le Beau Bai wrote:May or may not be relevant but Unstoppable U is slipping down the AOC and claim ranks over his last few races ($40k to $25k). Some of you may remember he finished 6th in the Belmont in 2012.

Now racing mostly at Churchill and Indiana Grand
He had been with Susan Anderson for awhile, and was just claimed from her. I like her, and she trained a filly for us so she's pretty transparent and communicative as far as how she works. I don't know anything about his new trainer, Gerald Bennett, but he was in good hands at least up to that point.
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:21 pm

BlindLucky wrote:
Le Beau Bai wrote:May or may not be relevant but Unstoppable U is slipping down the AOC and claim ranks over his last few races ($40k to $25k). Some of you may remember he finished 6th in the Belmont in 2012.

Now racing mostly at Churchill and Indiana Grand
He had been with Susan Anderson for awhile, and was just claimed from her. I like her, and she trained a filly for us so she's pretty transparent and communicative as far as how she works. I don't know anything about his new trainer, Gerald Bennett, but he was in good hands at least up to that point.
Thanks, that good to know :) He's in VS, so I've been keeping an eye on what he's been doing in regards to works / races.
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:51 am

While I like the thought behind this thread, I'm not surprised there are not many posts. This is that ugly underbelly of the sport that we wish would just go away. When tracks aren't even enforcing their own rules against trainers shipping horses to kill-buyers, as a concerned individual, I don't even know where to start. This was posted on Donna Keen's Facebook page.
I pulled the another Bustamante horse out of the Cleburne Sale last night, Got Bliss. He last raced 11/15/14 and was owned and trained by Justo Bustamante. (The first was pulled at Sequin, Winning Advanced, raced 10/25 by trainer J. Ray Bustamante). Go figure. Poor guy went from one hell hole auction where he and his stablemates were being treated like cattle, to being packed in a over crowed trailer full of loose horses, to another hell hole auction, packed in a pen with several other loose horses. Never being lead or touched like a race horse is accustomed to. All the time being chased around by humans who he has been trained to trust with prod, it was a whole new cruel world for him.. Got Bliss has terrible bite marks and a few other small wounds on him. When I approached him at the sale he pinned his ears at me. Can you blame him? I ignored his aggressiveness and started to show him kindness. He changed his eye and let me lift his lip. I saw the tattoo and called Vicki and said we have to get him. She started fundraising on the Remember Me Rescue page. I outbid the killer buyer by $10 and paid about .40 a pound for him. Remember Me Rescue ended up pulling 2 thoroughbreds last night, I will positively ID the other gelding today. It was too dark last night. Here is the deal, Until we hold racetracks with No Tolerance for Slaughter Policies to them we will continue to pull horses from sales. Thank you Misti Broughton and Stacey Webb for providing QT facilities for the Cleburne sale horses. The Sequin horse has already been placed in a new home. Thanks everyone who has supported the efforts of Remember Me Rescue sale barn saves.
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He even listed himself as the seller, so cocksure of himself. Sounds like any horse trained/owned by Justo Bustamante is a "bubble" horse.
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:01 am

SocialSaul, former graded stakes placed (Discovery Handicap G3 2011) is now running in $10K claiming. Won his last race nicely, but worth a mention.
In the same race, multiple stakes placed Star of New York ran 4th- Mr. Servis did claim this one out of the race.

2 more that I personally watch that I feel need a mention-
Mr. Saturdaynight started his early career in Socal- actually beat Setsuko to break his maiden- has been dropping and dropping- now running over at Zia for $5k- and has been regressing in his racing.
King Racer was third in the Laurel Futurity (2013)- has been steadily regressing- should have made more of an impact against $6K claimers at Penn- has been showing really nothing last few out.
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:34 pm

Any horse David Jacobsen trains oughta be in here
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:23 pm

TapitsGal wrote:Any horse David Jacobsen trains oughta be in here
Can't say I was real happy when I learned that he got ahold of Stormin Monarcho this past spring. I'm paying close attention to this
one. Saginaw is still stuck in the back of my head...


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Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:52 pm

Was glad when Grand Rapport and Bad Debt were out of his stable
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:03 pm

And I was glad when 9 yo Be Bullish was claimed from Jacobson by Bruce Levine for Repole. He's entered to race again on 12/10/14 for his 84th start.
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Sparrow Castle wrote:And I was glad when 9 yo Be Bullish was claimed from Jacobson by Bruce Levine for Repole. He's entered to race again on 12/10/14 for his 84th start.
Wish I hadn't said anything. Be Bullish won easily, a new millionaire, and was claimed back by Jacobson for DAS.
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Sparrow Castle wrote:And I was glad when 9 yo Be Bullish was claimed from Jacobson by Bruce Levine for Repole. He's entered to race again on 12/10/14 for his 84th start.
Wish I hadn't said anything. Be Bullish won easily, a new millionaire, and was claimed back by Jacobson for DAS.
Not happy about this. I was hoping all along that Repole would retire him. Best thing Jacobson could do is send him to Old Friends - and everybody wins.
Be Bullish has done enough and has earned his retirement. Just my humble opinion...

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:42 pm

Sparrow Castle wrote:
Sparrow Castle wrote:And I was glad when 9 yo Be Bullish was claimed from Jacobson by Bruce Levine for Repole. He's entered to race again on 12/10/14 for his 84th start.
Wish I hadn't said anything. Be Bullish won easily, a new millionaire, and was claimed back by Jacobson for DAS.
That sucks. I actually thought Repole claimed him to retire him. He claimed him last out (9/21) FROM Jacobson and DAS, who apparently just took him right back.

Don't mean to be repetitive, that's just so frustrating to hear.
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:49 pm

He's a millionaire now. I wonder if Repole wanted to get him there and then retire? He may claim him back... Here's hoping...
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:15 pm

Hearing rumors Jacobsen trained ludo bagman was euth'd today after the first at aquaduct
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:37 pm

TapitsGal wrote:Hearing rumors Jacobsen trained ludo bagman was euth'd today after the first at aquaduct
Or you read another thread on this forum.
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:42 pm

Jim Dunleavy ‏@DRFDunleavy 8h8 hours ago
Ludo Bagman, pulled up in race 1 @TheNYRA , has been euthanized after injuring sesamoids in left front leg, per NYRA vet Anthony Verderosa.
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:56 pm

26k to 17k to $12,500 cause a 5th at Parx on 11/30 is inspiring cause WHY NOT.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:28 pm

From DRF Live yesterday:
David Grening, Aqueduct, Race 4 - DRF LIVE
Former owner claims, retires Socialsaul

The graded stakes-placed Socialsaul, who finished fourth in Friday’s fourth race at Aqueduct, was claimed for $10,000 by his original owner and will be retired.

Mike Samotowka, a surgeon based in Ohio, had trainer Mark Hennig claim Socialsaul for $10,000 on Friday. Hennig, who had purchased the horse on behalf of Samotowka for $35,000 at the 2010 Fasig Tipton Timonium 2-year-old-in-training sale, said the gelding would be shipped to In Front Training Center in Ghent, N.Y., on Saturday before a future home is found for the 6-year-old New York-bred gelding by Read the Footnotes.

“We had been talking about the horse; he had a lot of success with him and he just wanted to do the right thing by the horse and get him off the track before anything happened to him,” said Hennig, who did not train the horse during his racing career.

Samotowka had raced Socialsaul with trainer Gary Contessa for his first 20 starts. In that span, Socialsaul won the 2011 New York Derby at Finger Lakes and finished second in the Grade 3 Discovery at Aqueduct. He earned $157,295 for Samotowka before he was claimed for $62,500 by Drawing Away Stable and trainer David Jacobson in May 2013.

Socialsaul was claimed six subsequent times, most recently for $16,000 by Jacobson and Bruce Golden on Sept. 1 at Saratoga. Socialsaul raced eight times since Oct. 19, and Friday was his fourth start in 27 days. He had won five of his previous seven starts before Friday.

Socialsaul retires with a record of 11 wins, 8 seconds and 3 thirds from 40 starts. He earned $514,375.

“He was good to Mike and Mike wanted to be good to him,” Hennig said.
Jacobson claimed him 9/1, then ran him on 10/19, 10/31, 11/10, 11/19, 11/30, 12/7, 12/14, and 12/26. I guess his original owner just couldn't take it anymore. Hope he has a happy retirement :D
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:55 am

Be Bullish is entered at Aqueduct in an ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING $40,000 on 1/3/2015. Jacobson claimed him for $20,000 on 12/10/2014.
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