Top Jocks/Trainers & HORSES in the past 50 years

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:18 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Oops...I missed that 'Last 50 Years' qualifier, so no Man 'O War...or Citation, either, I guess. :oops:
So...Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, Dr. Fager and Affirmed?

Those were my top 5, not in that order.

My other five were Alydar, Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Ghostzapper, and Skip Away.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:26 pm

scary to think that it won't be long til "last 50 years" will mean secretariat doesn't qualify O_O
but, it will make us have to think a little more, as time goes on and the 70s and 80s horses no longer fit that list.

edit; is Victor Espinoza not listed, or am i more blinderer than i think?
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:06 am

I interpret it to mean horses who raced between 1967 to 2017.

Secretariat would top my list. After him, the rest of my top 10 would be hard to choose and rank. Buckpasser, Dr. Fager and Damascus would have to be on it along with Affirmed, Seattle Slew and American Pharoah, The Bid, John Henry, and Sunday Silence or A. P. Indy. Tiznow and California Chrome would be on my list somewhere since I have to support our Cal breds.

But what about the fillies and mares? Lady's Secret will always have a special place in my heart. Then there's Rachel, Zenyatta, and so many others. Terlingua was not only a great race filly, but an extremely important broodmare.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:19 am

If it was a top 25 I would have included Ruffian, Go for Wand, Waya, and perhaps Lady's Secret. I debated Ruffian and/or Go for Wand but decided against putting them in the top 10, though I could see someone putting them there.
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For Jonathan Sheppard not to even make the runners' up list is absurd. He has been leading jumps trainer 24 times, has earned more than $20 million in steeplechase purse earnings (more than double the money of the second highest-earning jumps trainer), and became the first and only trainer in the US to win 1,000 jumps races. Even if they aren't counting steeplechasing for whatever reason the man got into the Hall of Fame in 1990 and has continued to train Eclipse winners and earn numerous graded victories on the flat. He's top 10, easily.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:18 am

How can they have Baffert ahead of Lukas? They gotta reverse that
the coach deserves better. He can train dirt or turf
No one has ever bet enough on a winning horse.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:27 am

Senator L wrote:How can they have Baffert ahead of Lukas? They gotta reverse that
the coach deserves better. He can train dirt or turf

Agree 100%
The man revolutionized the sport from the trainers room.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:17 pm

thinair wrote: Eight of the ten trainers were on my list. I didn't include Laz Barrera, and wouldn't, but could easily have had Frank Whitely on my list.
Just curious.....was Jack VanBerg on your list.

And ohbytheway, good read....http://jackfromgrittoglory.com/
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:51 pm

Senator L wrote:How can they have Baffert ahead of Lukas? They gotta reverse that
the coach deserves better. He can train dirt or turf
Perhaps it's a "what have you done for me lately" thing - Baffert trained a Triple Crown winner two years ago and is at the top of the game whereas Lukas, while still actively training, has had a very long decline over the years.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:28 am

No doubt he is awesome. I guess it's the teacher thing. Would you rather have Bobby Frankel
or Chad Brown?
BTW Lukas is the only trainer inducted into the Thoroughbred and Quarter Horse Hall of Fame
No one has ever bet enough on a winning horse.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:56 am

Very happy with personal favorite Affirmed being recognized in 6th place, if they just had a way of measuring heart on the racetrack he might've won!

A little surprised that Zenyatta was the #1 female coming in 11th overall.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:25 pm

And a little surprised to find some Hall of Fame folks quite a ways down the list.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:40 pm

stark wrote:Very happy with personal favorite Affirmed being recognized in 6th place, if they just had a way of measuring heart on the racetrack he might've won!

A little surprised that Zenyatta was the #1 female coming in 11th overall.
That did surprised me as well

At least my gal was 26th- although I would have placed her higher :D
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:46 pm

Glad to see Red and Slew 1 and 2, pretty much how I have it in my mind. I would have The Bid and The Doctor in a tie for 3rd.

I would have switched AP over Affirmed
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:07 pm

6 out of 7 of the top mares I’ve ever seen—I’m older than the list—didn’t even make it. For me the best mare I’ve seen is Susan’s Girl. The other omissions are Bayakoa, Lady’s Secret, Paseana, Azeri and Desert Vixen with only Beholder making the list. Zenyatta being ranked so high doesn’t surprise me—I don’t agree with her placement but it doesn’t surprise me. Five years ago, she would have cracked the top five, perhaps even three. For males, Cougar II is an omission in my opinion. The top 6 is one salty group. Affirmed did himself no favors by liking to wait on horses. There were two Affirmeds—the one ridden by Cauthen and the one ridden by Pincay. The latter got more out of Affirmed, in my opinion. He’s an all time great with anyone on him.
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:14 pm

I'm amazed Zenyatta is ranked #11 and the highest ranked female to boot. Nuff said. . .
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:57 pm

I wonder who the two voters were who thought Cigar was better than Secretariat or Slew. Or Forego, for that matter. Maybe the same two who ranked Braulio Baeza and John Velazquez higher than Shoe?
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