Top Jocks/Trainers & HORSES in the past 50 years

stark
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Agree or disagree?

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Or maybe your favorite is on the runner-up list?

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stark
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:34 pm

For me, this guy deserves a spot somewhere on the list of notables....

Del Mar Oaks (1980)
Santa Anita Derby (1980, 1989)
San Juan Capistrano Handicap (1981, 1989, 1992)
Vanity Handicap (1981, 1991)
Spinster Stakes (1982, 1992)
Strub Stakes (1983, 1987, 1989, 2006)
Santa Anita Handicap (1984, 1993)
Santa Anita Oaks (1985, 1993)
Kentucky Oaks (1985)
Oak Leaf Stakes (1985)
Santa Maria Handicap (1985, 2003)
Secretariat Stakes (1989)
Super Derby (1989)
American Derby (1990)
Best Pal Stakes (1990, 2003, 2010)
Del Mar Futurity (1990, 2010)
Arlington Handicap (1991)
Clement L. Hirsch Handicap (1991, 1992, 2011)
Metropolitan Handicap (1991)
Pacific Classic Stakes (1991, 2011)
Arlington-Washington BC Lassie Stakes (1992)
Del Mar Handicap (1992, 1994, 1996)
Beverly D. Stakes (2002)
Yellow Ribbon Stakes (2002, 2003)
Sunshine Millions Fillies & Mares Sprint (2003)
Santa Margarita Invitational Handicap (2003, 2005)
Del Mar Breeders' Cup Mile (2003, 2005)
Will Rogers Stakes (2004)
Hollywood Gold Cup (2005)
Sunshine Millions Distaff (2006)
Sunshine Millions Sprint (2006)

International race wins:
Queen's Plate (2005)
Woodbine Mile (2006)

American Classics / Breeders' Cup wins:
Kentucky Derby (1989)
Preakness Stakes (1989)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (1986, 1992)
Breeders' Cup Sprint (1987)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile (1991)
Breeders' Cup Turf (1992)
Breeders' Cup Mile (1991)
Breeders' Cup Distaff (2003)

Amongst many others, Patrick Valenzuela rode:
Arazi,
Sunday Silence,
Bertrando,
Best Pal
Opening Verse,
Fraise,
Lava Man
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stark
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:52 pm

Today we will begin to reveal the results, starting with the Top Ten jockeys.

The Top Ten trainers and horses will be announced on Wednesday and Friday, respectively.

Indiano.....what do you think?
Any favorites of yours that you hope make the list?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
katmandu
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:04 pm

stark wrote:For me, this guy deserves a spot somewhere on the list of notables....

Del Mar Oaks (1980)
Santa Anita Derby (1980, 1989)
San Juan Capistrano Handicap (1981, 1989, 1992)
Vanity Handicap (1981, 1991)
Spinster Stakes (1982, 1992)
Strub Stakes (1983, 1987, 1989, 2006)
Santa Anita Handicap (1984, 1993)
Santa Anita Oaks (1985, 1993)
Kentucky Oaks (1985)
Oak Leaf Stakes (1985)
Santa Maria Handicap (1985, 2003)
Secretariat Stakes (1989)
Super Derby (1989)
American Derby (1990)
Best Pal Stakes (1990, 2003, 2010)
Del Mar Futurity (1990, 2010)
Arlington Handicap (1991)
Clement L. Hirsch Handicap (1991, 1992, 2011)
Metropolitan Handicap (1991)
Pacific Classic Stakes (1991, 2011)
Arlington-Washington BC Lassie Stakes (1992)
Del Mar Handicap (1992, 1994, 1996)
Beverly D. Stakes (2002)
Yellow Ribbon Stakes (2002, 2003)
Sunshine Millions Fillies & Mares Sprint (2003)
Santa Margarita Invitational Handicap (2003, 2005)
Del Mar Breeders' Cup Mile (2003, 2005)
Will Rogers Stakes (2004)
Hollywood Gold Cup (2005)
Sunshine Millions Distaff (2006)
Sunshine Millions Sprint (2006)

International race wins:
Queen's Plate (2005)
Woodbine Mile (2006)

American Classics / Breeders' Cup wins:
Kentucky Derby (1989)
Preakness Stakes (1989)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (1986, 1992)
Breeders' Cup Sprint (1987)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile (1991)
Breeders' Cup Turf (1992)
Breeders' Cup Mile (1991)
Breeders' Cup Distaff (2003)

Amongst many others, Patrick Valenzuela rode:
Arazi,
Sunday Silence,
Bertrando,
Best Pal
Opening Verse,
Fraise,
Lava Man
I found myself looking for that name also.
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:09 pm

The voters
Ed Bowen (Historian, President Grayson-Jockey Club Research Foundation)
Simon Bray (TVG analyst, former trainer)
Caton Bredar (TVG analyst)
Bill Christine (former Los Angeles Times writer)
Gary Contessa (trainer)
Dick Downey (The Downey Profile)
Tom Durkin (former track announcer)
Bob Ehalt (TRC correspondent)
Richard Eng (retired Las Vegas Review-Journal columnist)
Jim Gluckson (Breeders’ Cup publicist)
Jane Goldstein (former Santa Anita publicist)
Luis Grandison (Spanish language announcer, NYRA)
Ed Gray (Boston Herald)
Amy Gregory (Keeneland publicist)
Charles Hayward (TRC President, former NYRA President)
G.D. Hieronymus (Director/Broadcast Services, Keeneland)
Barry Irwin (owner, Team Valor International)
Bob Kulina (former Monmouth Park President)
Joan Lawrence (NTRA publicist)
Don Little (owner, Centennial Farms)
Mac McBride (Del Mar publicist)
Ed McNamara (Newsday)
Richard Migliore (XBTV analyst, former jockey)
Bill Nack (former Sports Illustrated writer)
Martin Panza (Sr. VP of Racing Operations, NYRA)
Tom Pedulla (America’s Best Racing)
Don Pierce (former jockey)
John Pricci (Horseracinginsider.com, former Newsday handicapper)
Billy Reed (former Louisville Journal-Courier/Sports Illustrated writer)
Tom Robbins (Executive Vice President/Racing, Del Mar)
Chris Scherf (former Executive VP, TRA)
Todd Schrupp (TVG host)
Andy Serling (racing analyst, NYRA)
Samantha Siegel (owner, Jay Em Ess Stable)
Dan Smith (Del Mar publicist)
Lynne Snierson (former Arlington/Rockingham Park publicist)
Steve Specht (trainer)
Sonny Taylor (NYRA placing judge)
Eddie Truman (trainer)
Jeffrey Tufts (former linemaker, Santa Anita/Del Mar)
Michael Veitch (The Saratogian)
Donnie K. Von Hemel (trainer)
Hank Wesch (former San Diego Tribune writer)
Jon White (handicapper, Santa Anita)
Mike Willman (Santa Anita publicist)
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:03 pm

I think Bailey and Smith are too high, Eddie D. and Stevens too low. P Val most certainly should make the list. I think the top three are spot on.
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:11 pm

I'd move John Velazquez up three or four spots, and Stevens should definitely be top 10. Jose Santos probably ought to be somewhere in the mid/high-20s, certainly not unranked.
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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:53 pm

stark wrote:Agree or disagree?

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Or maybe your favorite is on the runner-up list?

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Arcaro missed the time frame- retiring in 1962- would be a glaring omission otherwise.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:43 pm

The only jockeys I listed that made the top ten were 2-3-4-5. I didn't list Shoemaker because I pretty much never saw him ride, and I didn't want to rank riders I hadn't seen, fair or unfair. I think Antley belongs in the top 10, as well as Julie Krone, who while she may not have been one of the ten best riders I ever saw, she wasn't far off that list at worst, and she stands so far above all other women riders I have ever seen, that I felt it was worth including her. I also included Stevens, who while a poor rider now, was at one time one of the all-time great riders.

Eight of the ten trainers were on my list. I didn't include Laz Barrera, and wouldn't, but could easily have had Frank Whitely on my list.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:27 pm

The HORSE list comes out on Friday, guaranteed to be controversial!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:04 pm

P Val should have made a list for sure :shock:
Always remember Chris McCarron's ride on Touch Gold in the Belmont - one for the ages
Followed David Hofmans instructions to a "t" otherwise Silver Charm would have won for sure
No one has ever bet enough on a winning horse.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:04 pm

stark wrote:The HORSE list comes out on Friday, guaranteed to be controversial!


Maybe a few here would like to list their top 5 and see how it compares come Friday with the "experts"
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:33 pm

I'm pretty sure Secretariat, Man 'O War, Spectacular Bid, Citation and Dr. Fager will be in the top 10, if not comprising the Top 5. ;)
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:43 pm

Going with the past 50 years I would rank them:

1) Secretariat
2) Seattle Slew
3) Affirmed
4) Spectacular Bid
5) American Pharoah
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:49 pm

Dr. Fager, what have you done for me lately? :lol: :D

Four championships in one year and a world record, carrying 134 pounds (!), that still stands. . . to note a couple of his achievements. . .
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:52 pm

Oops...I missed that 'Last 50 Years' qualifier, so no Man 'O War...or Citation, either, I guess. :oops:
So...Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, Dr. Fager and Affirmed?
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:58 pm

I think Dr. Fager falls outside the 50-year mark. I definitely would have included him otherwise.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:06 pm

His 3- and 4-year old season (67-68) weren't too shabby. . .

Or is DOB the definition of "last 50 years"?

Champion Sprinter, 1967.
Horse of the Year, Champion Handicap Horse, Champion Turf Horse, and Champion Sprinter, 1968
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Starine wrote:I think Dr. Fager falls outside the 50-year mark. I definitely would have included him otherwise.
Won the Vosburgh in Nov 1968 so I think he'll be included.
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