The Japan Cup(G1)

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby Northport » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:30 pm

I mean, Japan seems to mostly breed for middle distance and stayers, horses that will excel from 1 1/4 miles to 2 miles. If they want to win top races like both phases of the Tenno Sho, along with Japan Cup, Arima Kinen, etc. That alone could contribute to a longer and lankier stayer-type.
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby tachyon » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:08 pm

-- Key stallions' average winning distance on the turf:

Sunday Silence(USA) : 1761m

Deep Impact(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1792m
King Kamehameha(JPN) (Kingmanbo) : 1773m
Stay Gold(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1924m
Daiwa Major(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1561m
Heart's Cry(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1862m
Harbinger(GB) (Dansili) : 1901m
Kurofune(USA) (French Deputy) : 1593m
Manhattan Cafe(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1772m
Admire Moon(JPN) (End Sweep) : 1475m
Gold Allure(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1683m
Neo Universe(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1798m
Black Tide(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1709m
Rulership(JPN) (King Kamehameha) : 1927m
Kinshasa no Kiseki(AUS) (Fuji Kiseki) : 1379m
Empire Maker(USA) (Unbridled) : 1696m*

*Empire Maker's average winning distance on the dirt in Japan is 1592m.


Does anyone have any idea about how these numbers will be compared to those of major stallions in the US (and in Europe)?
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby Treve » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:20 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:The Japanese horses are all so lean, with a greyhound look. But Makahiki takes that to the extreme, with his really deep shoulder/chest tapering up to a wasp waist. :shock:
I know that the Japanese haven't actually created a new breed of TB, but they sure look different. I presume that, along with breeding for a less muscular type, they also employ different training and feeding regimens from what we might see here in the US.


They look as thoroughbreds should look imho, very classic looking and evocative of 18th and 19th century oil paintings of race horses and famous studs or broodies ;) Lean, elegant, athletic.
(Let's not forget TBs used to regularly run 4 mile races sometimes 2 or 3 heats in a day so up to 12 miles, including the horses here in North America, so it makes sense that horses bred for middle/classic and stayer distances would look like the old depictions out there).

You see a similar separation of body types in human sprinters vs marathoners and distance runners. TBs in general have a mixture of slow twitch and fast twitch muscle fibre genes. Quarter Horses have fast twitch and Arabians have slow twitch. Selective breeding in TBs could impact the amount from one line/individual to the next. And of course training is a factor. Maybe also the way the (legal) drug use impacts the metabolism.
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:30 pm

How good is Ryan Moore? Probably good enough that his mere presence in the saddle will drop Idaho's odds. ;) :P
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby lurkey mclurker » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:45 pm

Wow, I didn't know he made it to SIX - when I went to bed he was four-for-four which was pretty incredible by itself. :o
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:46 am

The weather looks nice. That's good. When I watched Kitasan Black win the Tenno Sho Autumn (I think?), the horses looked like they were running through a marsh in the middle of the Monsoon. :P
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby lurkey mclurker » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:11 am

OMG Kitasan Black looks sooooooooooooo good in the paddock. I can't even. :shock:

ETA: Rey de Oro looks fit too, but Mr Black is just built like a beast at the mo.

Boom Time has a lovely walk, a long swinging stride.

Idaho is all tail-swishy & head tossing... not in an upset way, but he's a bit keyed up.
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:25 am

That's typical Idaho. Actually, that's pretty much many Galileos. You could count on his bro, Highland Reel, to work up a good sweat before his races, as well.
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby lurkey mclurker » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 am

Yeah he's a bit washy now they've warmed up and are walking behind the gate...
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Postby lurkey mclurker » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:57 am

OH MY GOD.

What a finish. My hands are shaking. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Cheval Grand by a length over Rey de Oro & Kitasan Black, just heads apart.

...WOW.

ETA: Makahiki fourth & Idaho up for fifth.

Still wowed. :shock:

ETAA: I didn't know that Cheval Grand is half to *both* Verxina & Vivlos! What else is there to say but... WOW. :lol:
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