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middleground
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Uncle Mo--- if the inbreeding to Kris S. doesn't bother you. Or maybe Candy Ride or City Zip. And I wouldn't rule out War Front, despite the terrible luck they've had with him. That WF filly was a looker.
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mariasmon
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middleground wrote:Uncle Mo--- if the inbreeding to Kris S. doesn't bother you. Or maybe Candy Ride or City Zip. And I wouldn't rule out War Front, despite the terrible luck they've had with him. That WF filly was a looker.
City Zip would be good, but I'd be afraid an Uncle Mo out of that mare would be a Clydesdale.
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Insane Crazy
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She nicks an A++ with Ghostzapper. Could he infuse some speed?
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil? Well, I should say!
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Sun May 28, 2017 7:53 pm

Waaaaay tooooo much attention being paid to the studs when the trainer doesn't train for speed, not ever.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 28, 2017 8:15 pm

Insane Crazy wrote:She nicks an A++ with Ghostzapper. Could he infuse some speed?

He had so much speed himself, but he has graded winners over longer distances (Moreno, Shaman Ghost) and sprinters (Starship Truffles, Paulassilverling, Judy the Beauty). IMHO he really can do it all - but I may be the most biased GZ fan ever. He's not getting any younger, I can't believe he is 17, so I would definitely love to see this match.
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I'm guessing the Mosses would consider it slumming, but Candy Ride might add the speed to her foals they certainly need.
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Miss Woodford
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stark wrote:Waaaaay tooooo much attention being paid to the studs when the trainer doesn't train for speed, not ever.
Honestly it seems like he got very lucky with Zenyatta. The way he's training her offspring/sister has just been baffling to me.
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Horsebagger wrote:I'm guessing the Mosses would consider it slumming, but Candy Ride might add the speed to her foals they certainly need.
If Candy Ride is slumming, my favorite Fort Larned would really be (well, that and it comes up as D on True Nicks) :cry: Disclaimer: I know nothing about breeding, just loved Fort Larned. After his Breeders Cup Classic win, his riderless 'win' in the Gulfstream Park Handicap was my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi3Nesd4Xw
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Miss Woodford wrote:
stark wrote:Waaaaay tooooo much attention being paid to the studs when the trainer doesn't train for speed, not ever.
Honestly it seems like he got very lucky with Zenyatta. The way he's training her offspring/sister has just been baffling to me.
I get it that these are all graded stakes winners, a significant accomplishment for a smaller barn, but off the top of your head how many scream speed?


Zenyatta Mare $7,304,580 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Classic
Giacomo Horse $2,537,316 Grade 1 Winner Kentucky Derby
Tiago Horse $2,358,270 Grade 1 Winner Santa Anita Derby
Life Is Sweet Mare $1,670,000 Grade 1 Winner Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic
Manistique Mare $1,311,800 Grade 1 Winner Vanity H.
Hollywood Story Mare $1,171,105 Grade 1 Winner Hollywood Starlet S.
Mr. Commons Horse $940,194 Grade 2 Winner Arcadia S.
Gormley Colt $920,000 Grade 1 Winner Santa Anita Derby
After Market Horse $686,280 Grade 1 Winner Eddie Read H.
Cliquot Gelding $638,260 Grade 3 Winner El Camino Real Derby
Harmonious Mare $625,420 Grade 1 Winner Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup S.
Starrer Mare $610,000 Grade 1 Winner Santa Margarita Invitational H.
Proposed Mare $552,600 Grade 2 Winner Milady Breeders' Cup H.
Calkins Road Horse $520,735 N/A N/A
David Copperfield Horse $503,510 Grade 3 Winner Bay Meadows Breeders' Cup H.
Madeo Horse $481,715 Grade 2 Winner Del Mar Derby
Radu Cool Mare $481,618 Grade 2 Winner Chula Vista H.
Blingo Gelding $474,348 Grade 2 Winner San Antonio S.
Stanwyck Mare $474,250 Grade 3 Winner Turnback the Alarm H.
Neko Bay Horse $473,020 Grade 2 Winner San Pasqual H.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 28, 2017 11:19 pm

Miss Woodford wrote:Breed her to a sprinter or miler. Breeding her to classic horses is only producing plodders.
Distorted Humor. Speightstown.
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Insane Crazy
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:49 am

Northport wrote:
Insane Crazy wrote:She nicks an A++ with Ghostzapper. Could he infuse some speed?

He had so much speed himself, but he has graded winners over longer distances (Moreno, Shaman Ghost) and sprinters (Starship Truffles, Paulassilverling, Judy the Beauty). IMHO he really can do it all - but I may be the most biased GZ fan ever. He's not getting any younger, I can't believe he is 17, so I would definitely love to see this match.
Holy CRAP, he's 17? Jesus. I swear I still think of him as a fresh young sire...oy. Oy. OY!
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil? Well, I should say!
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His big bro worked today... if you call it that

Cozmic One (5-Year-Old Horse)

Your comments for this horse were: 2012 Bernardini x Zenyatta Colt

Date: May 29, 2017
Track: SANTA ANITA PARK
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.04:80 Handily
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 25/25
Kelly Ann
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:47 pm

I'd love to see them send her new filly to a different trainer, wonder what the odds are on that ever happening
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CoronadosQuest wrote:His big bro worked today... if you call it that

Cozmic One (5-Year-Old Horse)

Your comments for this horse were: 2012 Bernardini x Zenyatta Colt

Date: May 29, 2017
Track: SANTA ANITA PARK
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.04:80 Handily
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 25/25


That's just painful. :oops:
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BigCountry wrote:
Miss Woodford wrote:Breed her to a sprinter or miler. Breeding her to classic horses is only producing plodders.
Distorted Humor. Speightstown.
I really really want them to try War Front again.
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Sparrow Castle
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Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:23 pm

Ziconic is entered to run on August 2, 2017, at DEL MAR.
Your comments for this horse were: Tapit - Zenyatta, by Street Cry (IRE)
$60,000 MSW one mile.
sweettalk
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Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:40 pm

they're putting him back on dirt? ok...
firehorse
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Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:17 pm

I think putting him back on dirt and a mile is good for him if they can get him out of the gate running, not sure he was as suited for grass as everyone thought just because competition may have looked easier(?). While neither of Z's sons proved to be the horse a fan of her may have dreamed of, I do think most of their lack of success is between their ears, he has always looked to me like a dirt horse, I've watched all his replays a couple of times and all I see is a slower Tapit, not a deep closer, grass horse, or Zenyatta.
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Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:59 pm

i recall speculation being tossed around that since she was so good on synth she may have been a good grass horse. several posters here wanted (or still want) to see her go to a grass stallion. Where's Bailey (1/2 to Zen) has two Street Cry offspring that have won on grass - one was a graded stakes winner. coz and ziconic both seemed to look better on it.

if he wins on the dirt this time out, or comes close, i'll happily say my uncertainty was misplaced. right this second, i think they should both stay on grass.
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It's not like him to bet the story, so @EJXD2 must *really* like Ziconic today!
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