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Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:54 am
by BaroqueAgain1
IIRC, the US can send only one pair to this Winter Olympics for the Pairs Competition, unlike the three skaters we'll be allotted for the Men's Competition.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:11 am
by starrydreamer
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:IIRC, the US can send only one pair to this Winter Olympics for the Pairs Competition, unlike the three skaters we'll be allotted for the Men's Competition.
That is correct. The US will send 3 skaters for men's, women's, and ice dancing. The number of skaters that can be sent to the Olympics depends on the country's international placing in each event. The US has simply not been competitive in pairs for a long time now. It was the same with ice dancing until Belbin/Agosto came on the scene and started winning everything - then there were other top couples to preserve the 3 spots. Women's lost a spot, I think, pretty recently. Ashley Wagner was part of the team that helped the US win back the third spot.

As for Hanyu, it looks like he'll be competing in the Olympics as long as his ankle has healed properly. He hasn't competed this year, but he's the reigning Olympic and World champ. Japan's Olympic committee isn't going to overlook that. And apparently there's precedent - in Turino, the US sent Michelle Kwan even though she hadn't competed all season. She ended up withdrawing, and the US flew in the first alternate, Emily Hughes. So if Hanyu isn't ready, Japan will send their first alternate.

I haven't read anything on Medvedeva since learning she was missing Grand Prix finals due to injury. She's missing Russian Nationals, though, and there are a lot of other Russian ladies chomping at the bit to go. However, if she's healthy, I imagine Russia will send her to compete as a neutral (since Russia is technically banned).

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:07 pm
by Tessablue
Thanks for the updates, I appreciate it! I figured Hanyu would be chosen whether he prepped or not, think there'd be riots over in Japan otherwise ;)

I really hope Medvedeva goes to, and that both are at or near their best... they are both such extraordinary skaters, it wouldn't be the same without them.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:38 pm
by starrydreamer
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Is there such a thing as an Also Eligible for the team? Maybe Ross could be an alternate in case one of the top three can't compete?
Yup, they have alternates. Ashley Wagner, for example, is the US women's first alternate. Ross Miner is the US men's second alternate, behind Jason Brown (which I think is dumb because Miner landed a quad and Brown didn't even attempt one, IIRC).

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:45 am
by starrydreamer
Well, Medvedeva competed in the European Championships, and she finished second behind another Russian (Zagitova). So I'd say she's Olympics bound.

I haven't heard anything about Hanyu though.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:41 pm
by Ballerina
I no longer enjoy figure skating as much as I used to. It's become more gymnastics on ice - how many twists and turns can be accomplished in a jump off and before landing back on the ice. A lot of artistry has gone out of it - in my opinion.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:43 pm
by starrydreamer
Ballerina wrote:I no longer enjoy figure skating as much as I used to. It's become more gymnastics on ice - how many twists and turns can be accomplished in a jump off and before landing back on the ice. A lot of artistry has gone out of it - in my opinion.
I still enjoy it, but I agree. The sport has changed, and it's because of the change in scoring. It's quite a shame for the men - nobody cares how artistic you are now if you can't do quads.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:58 pm
by stark
Ballerina wrote:I no longer enjoy figure skating as much as I used to. It's become more gymnastics on ice - how many twists and turns can be accomplished in a jump off and before landing back on the ice. A lot of artistry has gone out of it - in my opinion.
I think the whole Olympics are going to be undergoing some serious scrutiny this year, curious to see if viewership will be high or not due to the national political divide.

In prior years, it's been a flag waving moment of pride for the USA. Now we've got athletes like Lindsey Vonn declaring that she can represent the country but she's not representing the President. Will folks be wearing their red white and blue shirts 'n sweats come February?

Lindsey.....I don't remember asking for your opinion, and doubt anybody else did either, just ski down the damn hill.

Sad.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:46 pm
by Tessablue
In that case, I'm tempted to watch it just for her.

Anyways, I always kind of loathed the artistry angle going back to when I was a figure skater so I'm pretty biased, but I think there's still a lot of room for it. Hanyu and Medvedeva are both absolute masters of merging artistry with technical ability, which I think accounts greatly for their recent dominance over the pure power skaters. Though I have to admit I felt a lot less generous towards the scoring system back when Patrick Chan, a literal wooden board on skates, was sweeping all the medals. Those years were to me the nadir of modern figure skating.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:30 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
It's quite a shame for the men - nobody cares how artistic you are now if you can't do quads.

I don't know. Jason Brown, who is known more for his artistry than his spectacular jumps, just finished third at the recent international competition in Taiwan. Finished in front of jumpers who can't match his grace and musicality on the ice.
I think the judges still love that artistry. It's kept Jason on our Olympic team. ;)

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:36 pm
by starrydreamer
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:It's quite a shame for the men - nobody cares how artistic you are now if you can't do quads.

I don't know. Jason Brown, who is known more for his artistry than his spectacular jumps, just finished third at the recent international competition in Taiwan. Finished in front of jumpers who can't match his grace and musicality on the ice.
I think the judges still love that artistry. It's kept Jason on our Olympic team. ;)
I actually don't like Jason Brown - I think I was thinking more of Adam Rippon, who is slightly more athletic than Brown but about as artistic. Brown seems like a watered down Matthew Savoie - anyone remember him?

But I really enjoy Nathan Chen, the quad machine. And I preferred Evan Lysacek over Johnny Weir. So maybe I prefer athleticism over artistry.

I really just want to watch Virtue/Moir ice dance all day.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:11 pm
by starrydreamer
Hanyu is listed on the Pyeongchang Olympics site as competing for Japan this year, so I guess he's going. Medvedeva is also listed (under Olympic Athlete from Russia).

Things kick off for figure skating this Friday in the men's and pair's short programs for the team event. Individual medal events start next Wednesday.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:16 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Oh frack. Nathan Chen just blew his short program big time. :shock:
Unless he's skating with a case of the flu, I'm afraid he's come down with a bad case of the Olympic 'yips.' :(

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:44 pm
by Ballerina
I had to stop watching.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:57 pm
by Catalina
And he was doing so well in the warm up.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:15 pm
by lurkey mclurker
I'm not watching network tv so I won't spoil but... things do not really get better until the last men's skater. :shock:

I was sad but then I realized it's team figure skating, not singles, so they can work out their nerves/kinks and hopefully do better in the men's skate.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:25 am
by Starine
From men's to pairs, I don't know if I ever recall so many falls for one night of skating. Actually kind of remarkable.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:26 am
by BaroqueAgain1
Patrick Chan seems to have same type of jumping gremlin plaguing him as Nathan.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:47 am
by BaroqueAgain1
Now, the Not-a-Russian Kolyada fell twice in a lackluster skate.
Chan, Chen and Kolyada were all wearing black costumes with silver/grey accents. :shock:
Maybe the guys need to change to a luckier color scheme? :P
ETA: Uno from Japan finally broke the Black&Silver Costume Curse and had a pretty nice skate.

Re: Figure Skating Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:50 am
by lurkey mclurker
I really liked the French and German pair skates. The one was very cool and sexy and the other lively and cute. :mrgreen: