The VENT Thread

Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Ballerina » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:24 pm

Good letter making its rounds on social media. LOTS OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT

An Open Letter to Senator Murphy on Gun Violence in America

Senator Murphy,

I was on a conference call for work today when my boss, who lives in Parkland, FL said "There's a been a shooting at my kids' school, I need to go." Thank God, a few minutes later he learned both of his daughters were safe.

I've already seen several posts on social media by people referencing your comments today. They are understandably upset and angry that this continues to happen in our country. The frustration and anger we all feel are well placed. No family should have to endure the pain of losing a loved one to senseless violence, especially a child who should be safe at their desk in school. I agree with these people wholeheartedly. Now is the time to have a serious conversation about gun violence in this country.

But what does that conversation entail? Many seem to believe it starts and ends with gun control. It includes much more.

Let's talk about gun control, yes. Let's talk about limiting the sale of excessively large magazines for rifles and armor-piercing bullets. Let's talk about back door sales of firearms at gun shows.

But let's not stop there.

Let's talk about the entertainment we consume. About the unhealthy obsession of watching horrific acts of torture and murder in horror films.

Let's talk about the games we allow and teach our children to play, with their assassinations and the rape and murder of prostitutes in the city park, before killing police officers for fun.

Let's talk about the moral relativism our society has embraced. The retreat from teaching moral absolutes. The refusal to recognize the value of human life as an objective truth that is always worth protecting.

Let's talk about the removal of any type of conversation on values from our schools lest someone be offended.

Let's talk about mental illness in all its ugliness and the sad reality of those left to live on the edges of society, many times in encampments on our streets.

Let's talk about the inability of many parents to parent. Their refusal to have real conversations with their children or to even pay attention to them at all.

Let's continue to pretend that minors shouldn't have supervision in their digital activities, that somehow the right to privacy of a 12-year-old supersedes any obligation to parent and guide their values and formation.

Let's talk about our obsession with our devices and our "stuff".
About our increasing inability to form interpersonal connections with people that may actually allow us to see when people are hurting, distressed, and troubled so that we can have these types of conversations before 16 kids in Florida lose their lives.

Any "real" conversation on gun violence includes all of these things. All of our "sacred cows" need to be on the table if we want to solve this problem.

If any of these topics above have us digging in our heels and making excuses, then we're not ready. If we're not able to be uncomfortable, then the conversation can't happen.

Solving the issue of gun violence in America will mean that we all may have to sacrifice something or change the way we approach our families, friends, children and even strangers. How many are willing to give up something comfortable to get the desired result?

Let's have the real conversations.

Otherwise, we'll just use the deaths of 16 children as a selfish device to further entrench ourselves on two sides of the gun control issue.

We may even pass more gun laws, perhaps even naming one after the victims, all the while never addressing the real problems that cause someone to actually take another person's life in the first place.

I hope and pray that we're willing and ready.

Respectfully,

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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Tessablue » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:38 pm

Ballerina wrote:
Tessablue wrote:I've been in an active shooter situation. I was with a friend who is an immigrant (foreign concept, I know), and she was less disturbed by the experience and more upset by the fact that we all immediately knew what it meant and what to do when we saw people running past us. See, in most countries kids aren't raised to think about or fear being slaughtered in public, because it doesn't happen. It doesn't have to happen here, either, but it will keep happening until your incomprehensibly vicious, fearmongering, nihilistic ideology is ground into dust. And if my generation doesn't do it, the next one will. Your lot might keep trying, but you can't kill all of us.


Just curious - what lot are you referring to?!~ If you mean me (my lot), I can't imagine how much more obtuse you can get.
Every single person who pushes back against change, who pretends nothing can be done, who feels that utterly inexplicable urge to go online and defend the guns every time something like this happens. The lot who somehow truly believe that this is all worth it.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Ballerina » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:51 pm

Tessablue wrote:Every single person who pushes back against change, who pretends nothing can be done, who feels that utterly inexplicable urge to go online and defend the guns every time something like this happens. The lot who somehow truly believe that this is all worth it.


I'll defend any law abiding citizen who legally owns a gun, and I'll fight any legislation that wants to take that right away from us. Did you read the letter I posted above? It pretty much echoes EXACTLY where I stand on the gun control issue. The issue goes far deeper than just gun control. Most of correcting the issues pointed out in this letter left to parents. In the meantime, I'll do what I have to do to protect myself from the current generation (not just here in the USA) who may wish to do me harm. If that is contrary to your way of thinking, then the problem is yours - not mine.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Tessablue » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:07 pm

I don't care what your stance is and I don't care about that pathetic excuse-making letter. It's not a complicated issue anywhere else. I'm just exhausted and sick of all of this and I want you and people like you to know that it isn't going to last no matter what you do. All these arguments? All that fear you desperately cling to? It's not just pointless- it'll be a source of scorn and derision for generations, until it's finally forgotten. That's your legacy! If you're okay with it, then I can't stop you. I'm not interested in stopping you. I just want to make sure you know.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby stark » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:13 pm

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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Ballerina » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:14 pm

Tessablue wrote:I don't care what your stance is and I don't care about that pathetic excuse-making letter. It's not a complicated issue anywhere else. I'm just exhausted and sick of all of this and I want you and people like you to know that it isn't going to last no matter what you do. All these arguments? All that fear you desperately cling to? It's not just pointless- it'll be a source of scorn and derision for generations, until it's finally forgotten. That's your legacy! If you're okay with it, then I can't stop you. I'm not interested in stopping you. I just want to make sure you know.


Guess what? I know, and like you I don't care what you think because you basically don't get it. You're like a terrier with a bone that will ankle bit anyone who interferes with your train of thought which regrettably doesn't have a caboose. How you can discount the words in that man's letter indicates you're not open to debate - your way or the highway. Have at it and see where it gets you.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby starrydreamer » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:17 pm

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starrydreamer wrote:I'm not sure where you got the stats that IL has the most crime and TX has the least. Here's the US News and World Reports list of safest states by violent crimes (and gun crimes are always violent) - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety. IL is actually rated as safer than TX (30th vs 35th for violent crimes).


If you read it correctly, Illinois is higher than TEXAS in violent crime


Actually, no. It's a public safety list, so the less violent crime, the higher you are on the list. VT has the least violent crime, which is why it is ranked highest at 1. IL is 30th, TX is 35th.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Tessablue » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:39 pm

Guess what? I'm pretty sure we had this exact same argument maybe twelve years ago, only it was about gay marriage instead. I was right then, I'm right now, you probably know it on some level but I don't particularly care either way. I'm happy to be entrenched on team "people shouldn't be able to slaughter kids with weapons of war." It is, without a doubt, the winning one.
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby Ballerina » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:56 pm

Tessablue wrote:See, in most countries kids aren't raised to think about or fear being slaughtered in public, because it doesn't happen.


Really? You might want to look at the stats as to how many other countries have experienced school shooting. From 1927 to present, school shooting deaths in the USA is 292. Compare that to what goes on in some other countries in more recent years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... death_toll
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Re: The VENT Thread

Postby stark » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:57 pm

Tessablue wrote: I'm happy to be entrenched on team "people shouldn't be able to slaughter kids with weapons of war." It is, without a doubt, the winning one.


Pretty sure everybody is on the same team when you describe it like that.
Now, how do you get there?
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