The VENT Thread

Tessablue
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:00 pm

I'm really not interested in interviewing them to appease someone on the internet who has no actual interest in the answers. Both are highly independent people who are self-employed, and both would be unambiguously dead right now. That's it, that's the story.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:19 pm

Tessablue wrote:I'm really not interested in interviewing them
Obviously excuse me, I thought you might know right off the top of your head.
Tessablue wrote:to appease someone on the internet who has no actual interest in the answers.
wrong again.
Tessablue wrote: Both are highly independent people who are self-employed, and both would be unambiguously dead right now. That's it, that's the story
Gosh, well since you brought them up, and they're not dead, maybe you can share the reason(s) why they never had insurance in prior years without violating any HIPAA laws?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:22 pm

stark wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that there was only one employer aspect of contorting my life, obviously sticking with one company for 34 years has other attributes as the path to management becomes easier, the salary goes from entry level to $100,000+ and the benefit package is overly rewarding when it seems like you have too much vacation time accrued on the books. The other choice of changing employers every couple of years just never seems worth it in the long run to me.
This is a big difference between the reality for young professionals now vs how it was for baby boomers - many young people don't have the choice to stay with a company for 30+ years. Job stability isn't what it was.

Companies are getting stingier with vacation time and other benefits, too. For example, at the company I've been with for 3 years now (not including the time I spent as an independent contractor working for them), I acrrue vacation at a decent rate but none of it carries over to the next year. The company stopped doing that about 5 years ago. With decreased benefits, there isn't as much company loyalty if the company doesn't actively try to retain their workers (my employer actually does a good job of that, especially in my department, which was bought out some years ago by this larger corporation but retains a bit of that smaller company feel). Add to that how much easier it is to advertise and recruit. My husband is an engineer with a phD and is contacted by recruiters regularly. He has his pick of jobs and it shows as he has moved around a bit more than I have. I actually want to stay with my employer for as long as possible.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:46 pm

This is laughable..

Costs can be mitigated without capping doctors' salaries. Why does a sonogram cost my insurance company $5k in an ER but $300 in an office? Do you even look at your EOBs to see that insane difference in costs?
How can an office owned by a hospital be considered a satellite location and therefore charge a percentage more?

God, I wish I was born 70 years ago and be so far out of touch with reality as it is now. It's such a shame companies don't pay a liveable wage now.

Can't argue with Trump supporters though!
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:07 pm

Somnambulist wrote: God, I wish I was born 70 years ago and be so far out of touch with reality as it is now.
I think the average age in the Senate is in their early 60's, that might be part of your problem.
Somnambulist wrote:It's such a shame companies don't pay a liveable wage now.
Just curious, going back as far as WWII.....what era did companies pay a liveable wage based on your standards of living?
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:22 pm

starrydreamer wrote: I acrrue vacation at a decent rate but none of it carries over to the next year. The company stopped doing that about 5 years ago. With decreased benefits......

Time out, gotta stop right there and make sure I understand.....a company that wants you to take your vacation the same year it's accrued, whether its for mental health reasons or the fact that you'll be making more in future years and paying you off costs them more, or their accountant said it's a liability we don't want to show on the books, whatever....do you really consider that to be a decrease in benefits?

Just fyi, everything I've read, most HR professionals have the opinion that taking vacation days is of extreme benefit as compared to saving them for next year, so go and enjoy!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:30 pm

starrydreamer wrote: My husband is an engineer with a phD and is contacted by recruiters regularly. He has his pick of jobs and it shows as he has moved around a bit more than I have. I actually want to stay with my employer for as long as possible.
Obviously I have no idea what he does for a living but congrats on the education.
I'm guessing he moves so that his next paycheck will be higher?
Sometimes you'll see professional athletes do this too. Afterwards I've heard them lament their decision as they missed out on the growth of the prior team and watching them making it to the championship game.
Maybe some of the reward for your husband would be to have "skin in the game" and stay with a company while he sees a multi-year project to completion, got to be a lot of satisfaction in that. And if he's as valuable as you deserve, then I've got some faith in the employer that he'll be rewarded on an eventual payday.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:30 pm

Aren't baby boomers the reason everything is awful right now?

Or your entitled parents were the reason everything is awful.. it's hard to remember..
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:43 pm

Don't look at me, a bona fide baby boomer. I worked for nearly four decades, paying my taxes, voting and generally trying to be a decent citizen. Now I watch my Social Security grow smaller, relative to cost of living, while sh!tholes in the government threaten to reduce my "entitlement."
Yeah, you know why I'm "entitled" to that money? Because I paid and paid and paid into SS. I'd have to live past 100 before I start getting money that isn't actually, you know, MINE. :evil:
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:52 pm

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starrydreamer wrote: I acrrue vacation at a decent rate but none of it carries over to the next year. The company stopped doing that about 5 years ago. With decreased benefits......

Time out, gotta stop right there and make sure I understand.....a company that wants you to take your vacation the same year it's accrued, whether its for mental health reasons or the fact that you'll be making more in future years and paying you off costs them more, or their accountant said it's a liability we don't want to show on the books, whatever....do you really consider that to be a decrease in benefits?

Just fyi, everything I've read, most HR professionals have the opinion that taking vacation days is of extreme benefit as compared to saving them for next year, so go and enjoy!
Yes, it is a decrease in benefits. My son gets sick and has to stay home enough that most of my vacation days go towards that (we get 5 paid sick days a year but that's not nearly enough for anyone with kids). That means I can't go on, for example, a two week trip to Japan to visit relatives because I don't have the option of stockpiling my days.

It costs a company more to recruit and hire new talent than it does to retain employees by doing things like allowing vacation time to be rolled over every two or theee years. I know most boomers feel that my generation thinks we're entitled to things, but this isn't that. I work hard to provide them with a quality product that I know they sell at a premium. Frankly, I could simply leave and go into practice (I'm a licensed attorney). My manager knows that, and so does upper management, and they do what they can to retain employees. The no vacation time carry over wasn't their decision.

As for my husband, he was at his last company for 3 years and worked his way up to supervisor, with a manager job lined up for him. He's making more now as a senior engineer without supervisor duties. He took a new job and we moved to a new state for a number of reasons that I don't need to share with you. Even people who change jobs every two years likely have a number of reasons for it. Again, the job environment just isn't what it was 50 or even 30 years ago.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:55 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Don't look at me, a bona fide baby boomer. I worked for nearly four decades, paying my taxes, voting and generally trying to be a decent citizen. Now I watch my Social Security grow smaller, relative to cost of living, while sh!tholes in the government threaten to reduce my "entitlement."
Yeah, you know why I'm "entitled" to that money? Because I paid and paid and paid into SS. I'd have to live past 100 before I start getting money that isn't actually, you know, MINE. :evil:
Ugh, what went wrong with social security? I'm paying into it - have been for about 15 years, and I'm not expecting to receive much, if anything, from it. How's that fair? Boomers now are getting screwed, sure, but the younger generation is inheriting an even bigger mess and getting screwed for longer. I shudder to think how it's going to be for my son.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:00 pm

Somnambulist wrote:Aren't baby boomers the reason everything is awful right now?

Or your entitled parents were the reason everything is awful.. it's hard to remember..
Sometimes I cheer myself up by looking at polls and breaking them down by age...

Anyways, I'm enjoying this idea that there's only one correct road through life. If I still have this job three years from now, let alone thirty, something has gone quite terribly wrong.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:08 pm

starrydreamer wrote:Frankly, I could simply leave and go into practice (I'm a licensed attorney).
I think that's the best idea yet, congrats in advance.
That is, providing you hire a couple of general office assistants and then share with us how many sick days and vacation days you provide them out of your pocket.

Any idea what kind of benefits you'd provide?
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 pm

stark wrote:
starrydreamer wrote:Frankly, I could simply leave and go into practice (I'm a licensed attorney).
I think that's the best idea yet, congrats in advance.
That is, providing you hire a couple of general office assistants and then share with us how many sick days and vacation days you provide them out of your pocket.

Any idea what kind of benefits you'd provide?
Uh, as a solo attorney in practice, there's no way I could afford an office assistant, much less two. My job used to be talking to solo practitioners (& helping them research), and I can count on one hand how many of them had any office help at all.

In addition, I work for a large corporation that is publicly traded. There is a big difference between a company of 15,000 and a company of 3. So the point you're trying to make here falls very flat.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:50 pm

Somnambulist wrote:Aren't baby boomers the reason everything is awful right now?
Wah Wah Wah, life sucks, maybe if I blame somebody else I'll feel better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP8sofAN4xc
Somnambulist wrote: Or your entitled parents were the reason everything is awful...
My Dad left my Mom when she was pregnant with me and I never met him so I don't think that's it.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:52 pm

Don't justify yourself to this guy..

Speaking of oversharing personal info?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:01 am

starrydreamer wrote: Uh, as a solo attorney in practice, there's no way I could afford an office assistant, much less two. My job used to be talking to solo practitioners (& helping them research), and I can count on one hand how many of them had any office help at all.

In addition, I work for a large corporation that is publicly traded. There is a big difference between a company of 15,000 and a company of 3. So the point you're trying to make here falls very flat.
Okay so humor me, let's pretend for just a moment that you're a really successful attorney and have a firm of 50 employees, just a few other attorneys and a bunch of support staff. What kind of benefits would you provide them?

Would the single guy get as many sick days as the mother of three?
Can they carry over their unused sick days?
Can they just take the cash equivalent of vacation days?

Oh, and if you really want to go to Japan for two weeks, is personal time off without pay an option available to you?
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:07 am

Tessablue wrote:If I still have this job three years from now, let alone thirty, something has gone quite terribly wrong.
Why is that?

If you're comparing it to my 30+ year career please note.....I changed careers several times yet managed to stay with the same employer throughout.

Didn't want you to think I stayed at one position on the assembly line for my entire life, I know people have done that, but I would agree it's terribly wrong if your education exceeds the job requirements.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:11 am

Maybe we'll all get lucky and stark will go on other forums to complain about us all.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:13 am

No, I don't think I'll humor you. I'm not starting my own business and never plan to. My mother in law owns her own business and has a few part time employees, and I know that it's simply not for me. Plus, I love my current job. It's the one I wanted when I graduated from law school, and I had to jump through some hoops to get here.

My manager would probably let me work from Japan if I really wanted, but as you were so squeamish to hear about previously, I have a young child who is often sick, so it's not happening any time soon.

What are we supposed to do with that information that your dad left your mom when she was pregnant for you? Feel bad for you?
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