The movie thread

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Tessablue wrote: Ugh, right? I was supposed to have NIH funding and now it's just frozen, if not entirely slashed. Meanwhile, people I've talked to at the NSF have heard literally nothing and are not certain whether they should intervene to point out that they actually exist. I picked one hell of a time to graduate. Just hoping to end up with a job before we lose an entire generation of scientists.

So on that cheery note, I'd genuinely like to wish you the best... it's rough out there, and all we can do right now is support each other and keep trying.
Thanks, TB. And good luck to you, too.
Like Som said I'm not terribly worried about it; have an interview this morning actually so fingers crossed on that. It would be half the commute I currently have as well. The times they are a-changing, but everything is fluid. I lost my job 3 weeks before 9/11 and it took me almost a year to find full time employment again and I survived. We'll all be fine. :)


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Oh, and so as not to derail this thread totally: I rewatached Carnival of Souls last night. Bam! Still one of my favorites!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bUePiQJJCI

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April is B&W month... nothing but extremes!
I recommend Mr Sardonicus, which I watched last night. One of the best I've seen yet from the venerable William Castle.

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:33 pm

By the way, has anyone else seen Logan?

I like most of the X-Men movies, but I was blown away by how well done and poignant it is. It's not just good for a superhero movie; it's a good movie, period.
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Logan is the best "X-Men" movie I think they've ever made. And If it weren't a 'genre' flick, IMO both Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart would get noms for acting awards.
I'm seeing Ghost In the Shell tomorrow; I'll post my opinion later.
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Ghost in the Shell is a very cool movie, with extraordinary visuals. Really liked it.
Some of the criticisms about casting and changes from the original anime don't really matter, unless those items matter to you more than the overall quality of the movie.
IMHO, some of the way it's changed makes it a more cohesive movie, especially for those who aren't fans of the original material.
That said, one thing that I did think was both unnecessary and unwieldy was...

SPOILERS, sort of....


The whole mother bit. While illuminating the Major's back story was important to expose the depth of the bad guy's villainy, shoehorning "Motoko" into the denouement just felt...awkward?
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Making a POC character white, but then like..."asianizing" that white actress? Yuck. I'm glad the movie is alright and everyone is welcome to enjoy it as they see fit, but yeah, that matters to me more than the movie.

It will never cease to amaze me the hoops Hollywood will jump through just to avoid casting one of the many outrageously talented actors of color available to them. Womp.
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Uhm. Have you ever watched GITS?

Because the major is a kind of a cyborg. A kickass robot, but a white prosthetic body. There isn't even anything remotely Asian looking about her. This isn't like she was black and they casted her as white. Her body was made to look a specific way from it's designer so she better blended in and looked a certain way. Her name is clearly not white but the major most definitely has a fake body that can construed as white. Her features give nothing away.

I've seen probably well over 100 anime titles in my life (although none recently, and the number I have seen is not something to be proud of) and truly, they look so white. Which is odd and a convo in amongst itself but why they even felt the need to Asian-ize Scarjo is even more weird, since the major was a robot.

The real wonder here is why anyone would watch a live-action movie of an anime. They're all dreadful. The sales for them are dreadful. They needed a hot chick to bring some reason for people to show up to it. Scarjo sucks but she is hot.
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Good point, Som. Maybe because she went by 'Motoko' and had black hair, many critics assume she must have been Asian? But the way she was drawn was not very specific, as far as ethnicity goes.
IIRC< Division 9 was a pretty multi-cultural unit, especially for the year GITS first came out. There were several agents who were definitely not Asian. Don't see why the casting for the movie had to become such a diversity-expectation issue. :roll:
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Good point, Som. Maybe because she went by 'Motoko' and had black hair, many critics assume she must have been Asian? But the way she was drawn was not very specific, as far as ethnicity goes.
IIRC< Division 9 was a pretty multi-cultural unit, especially for the year GITS first came out. There were several agents who were definitely not Asian. Don't see why the casting for the movie had to become such a diversity-expectation issue. :roll:
It has been long since I have watched GITS but no one really knows the Major's background right? Regardless shes a cyborg! It's not even her real body. It's a synthetic.

And it's like everything else right now. It's amazing. Everyone claims to be so progressive but they're not mad over the need to sexualize women to sell this movie. It's just easy to be upset with what everyone else is.
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Just because her character is a cyborg doesn't mean casting a white person (who has plenty of awesome roles to her name!) in the lead of a movie based entirely off of an extraordinarily Japanese work, not to mention art form isn't uncomfortable and odd. Especially when her character is, as I understand it, supposed to be blending in in Japan. The point stand that are so many people they could cast in a role like this, and they chose a literal nordic lady. Who, to be clear, I LOVE, but yeesh. You can call me whatever you want, but putting white leads in movies based on anime works is a tried and true tradition, and it's literally the easiest opportunity to change the fact that a tiny fraction of speaking roles go to Asian actors. Knowing how the casting process works for films across the board, it's super frustrating.

Not any less weird that her character's "young" version is played by a Japanese actress.

I also disagree that anime characters look white. They look so stylized they don't look like much of anything tbh...though my most recent anime consumption was Yuri on Ice, which I'm not proud of, but even the Russians looked more Japanese than white, lol. But the fact remains that they are produced by and for a non-white audience, and nothing about them makes me think they're intended to be cast majority white.

And lmao, Som, I'm always mad about having to sexualize women and twist stories into something different to sell media. But I'm also mad about rampant racism in Hollywood. That's my secret! I can be mad about a lot of things. ;)
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It reads worse than I intended,. Anime is not something white people invented but it does a good job representing everyone.

It's honestly not even her real body. It's a prosthetic. It really can't even matter how she is cast when it's not even her real body. That doesn't look any which way other than white skin in the anime and no color in the manga so I guess this is lost on me. The major isn't trying to blend into Japan. She's thought have been older and when her original body fell apart they just placed her in a younger one.

Everyone can be mad about many things. Im probably a pro. But here I guess I respectfully agree to disagree with at least parts.

Anime is produced just as much for Americans than people living in Japan. The amount of money America pumps into the industry is insane. So it's made for everyone - even if we all don't have huge eyes and F cups.
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Somnambulist wrote:So it's made for everyone - even if we all don't have huge eyes and F cups.
Pfft. Speak for yourself. Lol.

It's "made for everyone" sure, just like any industry is. But we already have *so many* works that feature white actors across the board. I'm okay with letting anime and it's spin offs (though I agree with you that live action animes are NEVER GOOD. I mean, let it go, Hollywood. Part of the power in the stories is so often the art, anyway) be not so, and tbh, I don't trust the reasoning behind casting ScarLo. You might've cast her, or someone else, because of cool reasons about how her cyborg form was crafted. But this guy?

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Nope, not really.
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Utterly unrelated though:

STAR WARS.
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Insane Crazy wrote:Making a POC character white, but then like..."asianizing" that white actress? Yuck. I'm glad the movie is alright and everyone is welcome to enjoy it as they see fit, but yeah, that matters to me more than the movie.

It will never cease to amaze me the hoops Hollywood will jump through just to avoid casting one of the many outrageously talented actors of color available to them. Womp.
but then disney made BH6 extremely multi-racial and people were angry that it wasn't an all-asian cast, so trying to make everyone happy with racial diversity looks impossible. (i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just saying that you can't ever make anyone happy. however, disney stated that, contrary to rumours, the live action mulan WILL be all chinese, as it should be, and i bet people will get angry over that too.)
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sweettalk wrote:
Insane Crazy wrote:Making a POC character white, but then like..."asianizing" that white actress? Yuck. I'm glad the movie is alright and everyone is welcome to enjoy it as they see fit, but yeah, that matters to me more than the movie.

It will never cease to amaze me the hoops Hollywood will jump through just to avoid casting one of the many outrageously talented actors of color available to them. Womp.
but then disney made BH6 extremely multi-racial and people were angry that it wasn't an all-asian cast, so trying to make everyone happy with racial diversity looks impossible. (i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just saying that you can't ever make anyone happy. however, disney stated that, contrary to rumours, the live action mulan WILL be all chinese, as it should be, and i bet people will get angry over that too.)
I don't remember that backlash specifically, though I'm not surprised it existed. I would rather more earnest though potentially problematic attempts at diversity, though, than just sticking to the "safety" of white actors. Of course, anyone who gets angry over Mulan being all Chinese (Eddie Murphy can voice Mushu, I suppose) needs to get their noggin on straight. Yikes.

Again, unrelated: my fourth viewing of Magic Mike XXL today was just as excellent as the first. I unironically love this movie.
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"...disney made BH6 extremely multi-racial and people were angry that it wasn't an all-asian cast..."

Seriously? Big Hero 6 was set in a mythical cross between San Francisco and Tokyo (not to mention it was an animated fantasy :? ), so why wouldn't the population of that city be diverse?
People. :roll:
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Insane Crazy wrote: Again, unrelated: my fourth viewing of Magic Mike XXL today was just as excellent as the first. I unironically love this movie.
Haha, I really enjoy those movies too. I'm not terribly interested in the beefcake or dance scenes, but the direction and production are fascinating and the movies have a really unexpected tone.

Also: STAR WARS.
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Tessablue wrote:
Insane Crazy wrote: Again, unrelated: my fourth viewing of Magic Mike XXL today was just as excellent as the first. I unironically love this movie.
Haha, I really enjoy those movies too. I'm not terribly interested in the beefcake or dance scenes, but the direction and production are fascinating and the movies have a really unexpected tone.

Also: STAR WARS.
I haven't actually seen the first one -- XXL was recommended to me for being surprisingly fun, and I fully agree. The dance scenes are whatever (though on my first viewing...woof), but I actively enjoy how oddly...earnest it is? They're just a bunch of dudes who really love each other and are passionate about their work. That work just happens to be stripping. Plus, they unabashedly show lots of different types of people feeling sexy and fun, which is awesome. I think this is one of the few movies I can say is firmly in the "female gaze," but that seems to also include just letting male characters shed any shred of masculine ego and just have fun and be cool people.

Plus. Like. Channing Tatum is shaped like a thumb and the opposite of my usual type, but he could toss me in the back of his truck and drive me to the beach any time.

Again: S T A R W A R S.
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Insane Crazy wrote: I haven't actually seen the first one -- XXL was recommended to me for being surprisingly fun, and I fully agree. The dance scenes are whatever (though on my first viewing...woof), but I actively enjoy how oddly...earnest it is? They're just a bunch of dudes who really love each other and are passionate about their work. That work just happens to be stripping. Plus, they unabashedly show lots of different types of people feeling sexy and fun, which is awesome. I think this is one of the few movies I can say is firmly in the "female gaze," but that seems to also include just letting male characters shed any shred of masculine ego and just have fun and be cool people.

Plus. Like. Channing Tatum is shaped like a thumb and the opposite of my usual type, but he could toss me in the back of his truck and drive me to the beach any time.

Again: S T A R W A R S.
The first movie is actually surprisingly dark, so I'd recommend it as an interesting contrast. The second one is much more of a hangout movie but I enjoyed it because of exactly what you described. It's a movie with essentially zero stakes, which is pretty refreshing. And yeah, Channing Tatum does nothing for me appearance-wise but he's really charming, both in those movies and in real life (apparently).

Star Wars
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