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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:55 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
163, Tammy the Torpedo, should be attractive to someone like Coolmore. A winning More Than Ready mare in foal to War Front? ;) And she's really pretty.
$1,650,000.
ETA: She sold to Dr. Masatake Iida. Anyone familiar with who this is?

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:51 pm
by TapitsGal
Anyone know who bought life at ten and criminologist

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:37 pm
by starrydreamer
TapitsGal wrote:Anyone know who bought life at ten and criminologist
Life at Ten bought by SF Bloodstock, which has horses in the US, UK, Ireland, France, and Australia.

Criminologist bought by Brushy Hill Equine.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:09 pm
by Ballerina
mosieposie12 wrote:Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah
Nicks out to a C. Guess one can't always go by a nicking system.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:59 pm
by Treve
Ballerina wrote:
mosieposie12 wrote:Coolmore got her will be bred to American Pharoah
Nicks out to a C. Guess one can't always go by a nicking system.
Well, Street Cry x Vertigineux was a D before Zenyatta was born, it's not perfect by any means :D

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:33 pm
by Macaroni
So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves. "We just thought she was a beautiful, balanced filly, and maybe one of the best in the sale. American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that? Is that not just a waste of money? I assume he's just taking a chance that for some reason he can re-sell her for a higher price than he purchased her for, but given the fact that at next year's sale, she and all the other AP foals will still only be yearlings, AP still won't have proven himself as a sire...nothing will change other than his foals will be bigger and conformationally slightly more defined. Am I wrong?

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:47 pm
by Ridan_Remembered
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:56 pm
by Macaroni
Ridan_Remembered wrote:
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.
Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:08 pm
by Ridan_Remembered
Macaroni wrote:Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)
You're very welcome. Oh, by the way, no question is "dumb" to me. If you want additional info, here's a good article from The Paulick Report: https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray- ... pinhooking

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:11 pm
by Treve
Macaroni wrote:
Ridan_Remembered wrote:
Macaroni wrote:So, I am not too well-versed in the sales stuff, so this may be a dumb question, but can someone answer this for me:

Brian Graves purchased the weanling filly by American Pharoah o/o Life at Ten and in an interview said the following:

"We intend to re-sell her next year," said Graves...American Pharoahs have been selling well. She's out of a grade 1 winner and she's all class, so we'll take a shot."

What is the point of that?
It's called pin-hooking and is pretty common on the commercial side of breeding. If the filly continues to develop nicely, he stands to make a profit. Pin-hookers have to balance the purchase price for and care of the weanling for about a year against the potential yearling sales price. They have to hope nothing happens to the weanling in that year, too. It's a bonus if any relatives of the weanling win stakes and enhance the weanling's catalog page. There must be potential profit in it because, as mentioned, pin-hooking is pretty common.
Whew, that seems...super risky. But I guess it must pay off if it's so common. Thanks for the explanation! :)
It can be risky but if you look at the Cairo Prince weanlings that were bought last year, then look at his yearling sales this year, whoever bothered to pinhook a yearling or two probably hit a home run.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:12 pm
by Izvestia
Finally getting a chance to watch Stellar Wind. What a lovely mare she is, she's very elegant... except her funny eyes. She was very well-behaved considering they didn't have her in a lip chain. Very excited to see an AP foal from her!

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:45 pm
by neighhey
Balance just went for $390,000.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:48 pm
by mariasmon
Al's Gal sold for $950k to Japanese connections.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:13 pm
by mariasmon
neighhey wrote:Balance just went for $390,000.
RNA

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:51 pm
by mariasmon
Enchanted Rock (dam of Verrazano & El Padrino) went to Peter Brant (White Birch Farm) for $2 mil.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:58 pm
by mariasmon
Jane Lyon (Summer Wind Farm) is on a spree at Keeneland. She bought Belle Watling (dam of War Story & Land Over Sea) for $1.05 mil, For Royalty (dam of Constellation), for $2.1 mil and Weekend Whim (dam of New Money Honey) yesterday for $1.4 mil.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:33 pm
by Sparrow Castle
Twirl by Galileo-Butterfly Cove by Storm Cat; full to Misty for Me, Ballydoyle in foal to Curlin gets a final bid of $3.1M.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:36 pm
by Natalma
mariasmon wrote:
neighhey wrote:Balance just went for $390,000.
RNA
Who owns her now?

I still remember when her first BEAUTIFUL foal by AP Indy was born. SIGH.

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:37 pm
by Sparrow Castle
Sparrow Castle wrote:Twirl by Galileo-Butterfly Cove by Storm Cat; full to Misty for Me, Ballydoyle in foal to Curlin gets a final bid of $3.1M.
RNA

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:50 pm
by mariasmon
Natalma wrote:
mariasmon wrote:
neighhey wrote:Balance just went for $390,000.
RNA
Who owns her now?

I still remember when her first BEAUTIFUL foal by AP Indy was born. SIGH.
Still the Amermans.