2017 Keeneland November Sale

Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby Horsebagger » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:06 am

Alywow wrote:Hip #495 (Empire City (JPN) by Empire Maker) is in foal to American Pharoah making the resulting foal 3 X 3 Empire Maker.



....3 x 2 to Empire Maker?
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 pm

So, that would mean that Enable is 3 x 2 to Sadler's Wells?
It's pretty incredible how much influence SW has had on the Thoroughbred. He sired Galileo, who has given us more runners than I can count, including successful young stallions like Frankel and Nathanial. Montjeu gave us Pour Moi and Camelot...although his best son may have been the late St Nicholas Abbey. :(
Here in The Colonies, SW's handsome grey son El Prado's legacy as a sire of sires has left us sons like Medaglia d'Oro, Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller and Paddy O'Prado.
THAT is a legacy.
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby mariasmon » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:55 pm

Hill 'n' Dale will be Kitten's Joy's new home.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ki ... ll-n-dale/
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby Northport » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:19 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:So, that would mean that Enable is 3 x 2 to Sadler's Wells?
It's pretty incredible how much influence SW has had on the Thoroughbred. He sired Galileo, who has given us more runners than I can count, including successful young stallions like Frankel and Nathanial. Montjeu gave us Pour Moi and Camelot...although his best son may have been the late St Nicholas Abbey. :(
Here in The Colonies, SW's handsome grey son El Prado's legacy as a sire of sires has left us sons like Medaglia d'Oro, Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller and Paddy O'Prado.
THAT is a legacy.



Forget Sadler's Wells, look at how much Urban Sea impacted the first half of your paragraph! She has to be the best broodmare of all time.
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby Ioya Two » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:27 pm

Hip 3 has a crazy page. Bred to three different stallions, last cover date of August 10th? Why not just leave her open, way way too late of a service date.
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby bare it all » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Ioya Two wrote:Hip 3 has a crazy page. Bred to three different stallions, last cover date of August 10th? Why not just leave her open, way way too late of a service date.


Is that considered on SH time at that point?
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby neighhey » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:20 pm

bare it all wrote:
Ioya Two wrote:Hip 3 has a crazy page. Bred to three different stallions, last cover date of August 10th? Why not just leave her open, way way too late of a service date.


Is that considered on SH time at that point?


It would be for Argentina, at least, as the foaling season begins July 1. Other Southern Hemisphere locales, like Australia, have August 1 as the birthday cutoff.
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby Treve » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:57 pm

neighhey wrote:
bare it all wrote:
Ioya Two wrote:Hip 3 has a crazy page. Bred to three different stallions, last cover date of August 10th? Why not just leave her open, way way too late of a service date.


Is that considered on SH time at that point?


It would be for Argentina, at least, as the foaling season begins July 1. Other Southern Hemisphere locales, like Australia, have August 1 as the birthday cutoff.


If I'm not mistaken Australia does accept foals born up to a month early depending on when the mare was bred.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby neighhey » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:36 pm

Treve wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Australia does accept foals born up to a month early depending on when the mare was bred.


I'm much more familiar with racing in Argentina than Australia, so I will defer to your superior knowledge! :)
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Re: 2017 Keeneland November Sale

Postby Treve » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:07 am

neighhey wrote:
Treve wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Australia does accept foals born up to a month early depending on when the mare was bred.


I'm much more familiar with racing in Argentina than Australia, so I will defer to your superior knowledge! :)


Ahaha my knowledge is in no way superior, I just think someone posted this information recently.
In fact I just googled it:

The official age of a horse is reckoned from the first day of August next
after its birth, when it becomes a yearling (i.e. it is one year old and
commences its second official year of life). However there are two
exceptions: -
i. A horse 31 days old or less on 1 August will not be required
to become a yearling on that day, provided the Australian
Stud Book is satisfied it was born to a mare whose first
covering in Australia was restricted to the official covering
season, 1 September to 31 May.
It will increase its age by
one year each 1 August thereafter;

ii. A horse born on or after 1 August to a mare whose first
covering in Australia was in June, July or August
, (i.e. was
not restricted to the official covering season), will be
deemed to be one year old (i.e. become a yearling) on
the day it was born. The horse will become a two year old
on 1 August, which follows one month after the end of the
foaling season in which it was born. It will increase its age
by one year each 1 August thereafter


So it looks like this foal wouldn't qualify :?
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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