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Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:34 am
by BaroqueAgain1
For the price to keep going up like that, it probably was one of the heavy hitters; Coolmore, Godolphin or Mr. Yoshida. Or maybe all of them?

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:04 am
by Somnambulist
Very few people have insanely deep pockets. I wonder when Pope stops shelling out like this. It's not like she's returned much profit yet.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:40 am
by Izvestia
I wonder the same thing Som. The math doesn't add up. She has 2 mares she's bought for $19.5 million... has she sold any yearlings close to recouping that? That doesn't include all of the other mares she's bought. The chances of breeding to race and making it back are virtually impossible. What's the plan here?

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:56 am
by Northport
She could have started recouping some of the $10m spent on Havre De Grace. Havre De Grace's 2015 colt by War Front was a $1.9m RNA at KEESEPT16 after "A mix up regarding the reserve"

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... illion-rna

The whole thing was a bit of a cluster, and it sounded like Pope was still open to selling the foal for a "reasonable price" aka not the 1.9m it had attracted during the sale?

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:40 pm
by Life At Zen
Summer Bird wrote: No the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before selling the mare.
How does that work then if the foal doesn't survive?

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:59 pm
by Macaroni
American Pharoah's foal o/o Untouched Talent went to Narvick International - does this mean she'll only ever be used as a broodmare and will never race? That would be a HUGE shame.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:02 pm
by Summer Bird
Life At Zen wrote:
Summer Bird wrote: No the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before selling the mare.
How does that work then if the foal doesn't survive?
Only thing I can think of is the previous owner is out of luck or they give him/her a refund. I worked in a Thoroughbred Farm office and we had to make sure the stud fee was paid before the mare went to the sale.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:04 pm
by Somnambulist
Northport wrote:She could have started recouping some of the $10m spent on Havre De Grace. Havre De Grace's 2015 colt by War Front was a $1.9m RNA at KEESEPT16 after "A mix up regarding the reserve"

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... illion-rna

The whole thing was a bit of a cluster, and it sounded like Pope was still open to selling the foal for a "reasonable price" aka not the 1.9m it had attracted during the sale?
I forgot about this mishap.

This is soooo much money. Obviously she knows her finances better than I do but this is some pretty crazy money to toss around on unproven prospects. Especially when people just lose money hand over fist in racing.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:48 pm
by Horsebagger
Summer Bird wrote:
Life At Zen wrote:
Summer Bird wrote: No the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before selling the mare.
How does that work then if the foal doesn't survive?
Only thing I can think of is the previous owner is out of luck or they give him/her a refund. I worked in a Thoroughbred Farm office and we had to make sure the stud fee was paid before the mare went to the sale.
If you don't pay the stud fee in advance of the sale, the horse is going to get liened by the stallion farm, and they'll get their fee paid out of proceeds anyway.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:41 pm
by Treve
Isn't Pope mostly an heiress? I remember reading somewhere she was more like a collector with goals of improving the breed, rather than making money. Like the rich owners of old who approaching racing as a hobby and a prestige thing more than a business.
Dunno how that'll work out for her if that's the case but I suppose if she has a solid long term plan then maybe she'll start to see the fruits of her labour in a decade or so?
I mean I can't even wrap my head around having that much disposable income to begin with so I don't hurt myself trying to understand the motive. Maybe she has an addiction to collector's mares :lol:

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:37 pm
by Honeymoon
Life At Zen wrote:
Carotene wrote:Tepin is so special and gorgeous. Amazing!

Question: who pays the stud fees for mares in foal? Previous owner, or new owner? I feel like it's previous owner when foal stands and nurses, but now second guessing myself...

New owner
I was told that the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before he can bring a mare in foal to an auction.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:48 pm
by TBird
Life At Zen wrote:
Summer Bird wrote: No the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before selling the mare.
How does that work then if the foal doesn't survive?
The stud fee has to be paid before the mare sells or the stud farm won't release the stallion certificate (needed to register the foal.)

If the foal doesn't survive, the new owner is out of luck unless they have purchased prospective foal insurance--which most do. Then they file a claim for loss of the foal.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:28 pm
by Summer Bird
TBird wrote:
Life At Zen wrote:
Summer Bird wrote: No the previous owner has to pay the stud fee before selling the mare.
How does that work then if the foal doesn't survive?
The stud fee has to be paid before the mare sells or the stud farm won't release the stallion certificate (needed to register the foal.)

If the foal doesn't survive, the new owner is out of luck unless they have purchased prospective foal insurance--which most do. Then they file a claim for loss of the foal.
Thanks for clarifying!

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:36 am
by Northport
Macaroni wrote:American Pharoah's foal o/o Untouched Talent went to Narvick International - does this mean she'll only ever be used as a broodmare and will never race? That would be a HUGE shame.
Is this something they do on purpose? Or do their horses just happen to not make it to the track through injury? Legitimately asking... I have heard the name before at sales but have no idea about the operator or what major purchases they have made.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:30 am
by Izvestia
Eh? Narvick Int is a bloodstock agency. Don't they put together partnerships?

Laura deSeroux is connected to them. You may recall she trained Azeri.

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:36 pm
by Sparrow Castle
American Pharoah's first weanlings well received at sales
Emmanuel de Seroux’s Narvick International appeared on the sales ticket for the $1 million American Pharoah filly out of Untouched Talent, tying a Fasig-Tipton record weanling price. Narvick purchased the filly on behalf of the Ito family’s Grand Farm of Japan.

“We loved her as a type, but obviously her pedigree is outstanding,” de Seroux said. “Mr. Ito is a breeder, so he will keep her to breed [after her racing career].”
http://www.drf.com/news/american-pharoa ... ived-sales

Re: 2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:03 am
by Retrospectiv
Northport wrote:
Macaroni wrote:American Pharoah's foal o/o Untouched Talent went to Narvick International - does this mean she'll only ever be used as a broodmare and will never race? That would be a HUGE shame.
Is this something they do on purpose? Or do their horses just happen to not make it to the track through injury? Legitimately asking... I have heard the name before at sales but have no idea about the operator or what major purchases they have made.

The Untouched Talent was purchased for a Japanese owner (name was mentioned in some articles). Hopefully she'll make it to the racetrack.