Overpriced Stallions

Overpriced Stallions

Postby Quiet Chris » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:45 am

Can anyone explain who is paying $200K for War Front? This horse has produced little to nothing this year and if you look at his career he has produced a few very good horses but nothing like a $200K stallion should have produced. I understand the fee has to do with how well his sons and daughters sell, but who is paying so much for these horses. They aren't exactly world beaters and he gets some great mares.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Flanders » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:10 pm

Every breeder who can get in to him pays it because Coolmore tries to buy all his foals. He has gotten 12 SW this year, has 10% SWs to foals, and gets precocious 2yos. I don't know about this crop of 2yos but past crops most have gone to Europe. This number is going to rise as Coolmore mares were like half his book this year. He hasn't gotten any G1SWs this year but it could change anytime as he has 4 GSWing juveniles in Europe. He isn't overpriced if his book fills and his foals sell extremely well.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Quiet Chris » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:46 pm

Well maybe Coolmore is overpaying because Departing, The Factor, Summer Front, Lines of Battle and Declaration of War do not make a $200K stallion considering he has been at stud for nearly a decade.

Him and Giants Causeway are ridiculously overpriced for what they have produced.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Izvestia » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:00 pm

You must be talking about the "other" Giants Causeway and War Front.
The 2 I am familiar with have more than proven their worth.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Admin » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:43 pm

War Front is grossly overpriced and I've been saying this for years. He's a $100k stallion, which makes him a heavy-hitter at that price, but overpriced at $200k and $300k that breeders will pay for him. Because of limited seasons, people act as if they hit the lottery and overpay to get to him.

It'll be interesting to see if he starts cooling. He's solidified as a turf sure now so that limits his appeal to American buyers. In addition, I read an article a couple weeks ago which said the turfers sent to Europe are firing early but not running on as 3 and older horses. In a few years we'll see if he's a side of sires or not, and his appeal will rise or fall accordingly.

I hated to see Grace go to him. I believe in breeding like to like, and she was dirt while he's a turf sire. Zenyatta made more sense as she had the running style and ability on synthetic to make me think she could've been equally good on turf.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Horsebagger » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:06 pm

As for War Front, I'm with V. If he doesn't have another big horse or two next year, his yearlings won't continue to sell for half a mil a pop. And that likely means his fee will have to go down. It's all supply and demand, and Claiborne has always limited his book and kept him hard to get to no matter the fee, which helps prop up the fee.

Anyone questioning the stallion work of Giants Causeway found himself in the wrong thread and is clearly lost.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Mel Mae » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:24 pm

I think War Front is probably going to start hitting big in the next few years. His early good runners were out of good mares but nothing like Coolmore has been sending him. They didn't start their heavy support of him until about 2013 (and more 2014/2015, ect) and we're seeing a decent amount of 2yos doing well by him now. The problem for breeders is that with Coolmore sending him so many mares (I believe he got around 35 of their mares this year), they aren't going to be as big of hitters at the sales when it comes to his foals because they'll have so many. The good news for buyers is that it seems like they send the "lesser" War Front colts and a lot of the fillies through the ring (Roly Poly was one but was an RNA) so they may be able to get nice horses without having to battle against Coolmore.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Vandalay » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:07 pm

I nominate Super Saver,..He's $65K and being outperformed on the 3rd crop list by stallions that are a fraction of his fee
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Retrospectiv » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:42 pm

Agreed on all fronts on War Front.
We already knew he got some good 2yr olds.....but they don't seem to train on at all. With the improved mares I'd be wanting to see some hitters as 3 and 4yr olds for sure.

I just can't knock Giant's Causeway. His books have been far from selective many years and he's still always managed to stay near the top of the sires lists.
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Re: Overpriced Stallions

Postby Life At Zen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:11 pm

Retrospectiv wrote:
I just can't knock Giant's Causeway. His books have been far from selective many years and he's still always managed to stay near the top of the sires lists.



Yeah, there's a reason he has his own statue.

As the saying goes, "they're not overpriced if they fill their book." That said, American Pharoah was overpriced this year. Pretty sure they had to do some bargaining to fill his book.
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