Matings 2017

Leading Freshmen Sire 2017 by number of winners

Animal Kingdom (Leroidesanimaux)
7
16%
Graydar (Unbridled's Song)
2
5%
Orb (Malibu Moon)
4
9%
Oxbow (Awesome Again)
1
2%
Paynter (Awesome Again)
2
5%
Point of Entry (Dynaformer)
1
2%
Shanghai Bobby (Harlan's Holiday)
6
14%
Take Charge Indy (A.P. Indy)
8
18%
Violence (Medaglia d'Oro)
10
23%
Other
3
7%
 
Total votes: 44
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mariasmon
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:34 pm

Summer Bird wrote:Tepin was bred on 4/30 to Curlin and is in foal.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/te ... to-curlin/
When that first hit my inbox, my only reaction was, "EW." That was followed by, "Why?" and then, "ew," again.
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:38 pm

I will second that 'Why?' and follow with 'what were they thinking?' :shock: :?
Tepin was one of best turf mares we have seen in recent years, but....they chose to breed her to a big, hulking dirt stallion?
I do not get it. :(
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:40 pm

mariasmon wrote:
Summer Bird wrote:Tepin was bred on 4/30 to Curlin and is in foal.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/te ... to-curlin/
When that first hit my inbox, my only reaction was, "EW." That was followed by, "Why?" and then, "ew," again.
I had the same reaction as well. Wish they would have saved her for Frankel or Galileo. I hope Tepin isn't crooked because Curlin throws some crooked foals.
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:42 pm

Summer Bird wrote:
mariasmon wrote:
Summer Bird wrote:Tepin was bred on 4/30 to Curlin and is in foal.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/te ... to-curlin/
When that first hit my inbox, my only reaction was, "EW." That was followed by, "Why?" and then, "ew," again.
I had the same reaction as well. Wish they would have saved her for Frankel or Galileo. I hope Tepin isn't crooked because Curlin throws some crooked foals.
John Sikura must've done some really slick talking.
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:49 pm

I fourth all of the "Wtf-ing" I'm guessing they're breeding to sell.
I suppose since she was retired on short notice Frankel or Galileo might not have worked out for this year regardless, but why not Hat Trick? He's sired blacktype winners around the world on turf, he's right there in Kentucky. I understand wanting to avoid an unproven sire like Flintshire or Tourist.
But even as far as dirt studs go there would have been far more interesting choices of stallions in the same or similar (or even less!) price range that would have been better physical and pedigree matches.
Ah well, they better hope for some straight legs if they're breeding to sell.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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mariasmon
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:02 pm

I don't think she would've had any trouble getting to MDO or Kitten's Joy, even that late, and they're both G1 turf sires. Sadler's Wells over Storm Cat has done well. Case-in-point being Giant's Causeway's sister You'resothrilling + Galileo.
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:28 pm

When that first hit my inbox, my only reaction was, "EW." That was followed by, "Why?" and then, "ew," again.[/quote]

I had the same reaction as well. Wish they would have saved her for Frankel or Galileo. I hope Tepin isn't crooked because Curlin throws some crooked foals.[/quote]

John Sikura must've done some really slick talking.[/quote]

Most likely since she's going to be boarded there as wel :lol:
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:30 pm

Summer Bird wrote:When that first hit my inbox, my only reaction was, "EW." That was followed by, "Why?" and then, "ew," again.
I had the same reaction as well. Wish they would have saved her for Frankel or Galileo. I hope Tepin isn't crooked because Curlin throws some crooked foals.[/quote]

John Sikura must've done some really slick talking.[/quote]

Most likely since she's going to be boarded there as wel :lol:[/quote]

And, as someone else pointed out, HnD has been known to purchase high-profile mares at auction that they board/consign. Since the current owner at least claims he hasn't decided what he's going to do with her long-term, it can't hurt. But I think a War Front or Tapit cover would've been more popular overall, with most potential buyers.
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:41 pm

mariasmon wrote:I don't think she would've had any trouble getting to MDO or Kitten's Joy, even that late, and they're both G1 turf sires. Sadler's Wells over Storm Cat has done well. Case-in-point being Giant's Causeway's sister You'resothrilling + Galileo.
MDO maybe not, doesn't he tend to have a full book? Kitten's Joy though, hadn't thought of him but yeah could've worked well too.
I'm sure an MDO filly out of Tepin could have lit up the board at auction.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:48 pm

Treve wrote:
mariasmon wrote:I don't think she would've had any trouble getting to MDO or Kitten's Joy, even that late, and they're both G1 turf sires. Sadler's Wells over Storm Cat has done well. Case-in-point being Giant's Causeway's sister You'resothrilling + Galileo.
MDO maybe not, doesn't he tend to have a full book? Kitten's Joy though, hadn't thought of him but yeah could've worked well too.
I'm sure an MDO filly out of Tepin could have lit up the board at auction.
They will make room for a Tepin type of mare, trust me.
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Wed May 17, 2017 7:26 pm

mariasmon wrote:
Starine wrote:
mariasmon wrote:Above Perfection (dam of Hot Dixie Chick, Always Dreaming) --> Nyquist
Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that.
I'm guessing the decision was made before they knew how good Always Dreaming was going to be. Still, she was already the dam of a G1W. Unfortunately, she didn't produce a foal from her 2016 mating to Honor Code :(
I thought she had a foal, but it died? Such a shame.
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Wed May 17, 2017 7:37 pm

ThreeMustangs wrote:
mariasmon wrote:
Starine wrote:Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that.
I'm guessing the decision was made before they knew how good Always Dreaming was going to be. Still, she was already the dam of a G1W. Unfortunately, she didn't produce a foal from her 2016 mating to Honor Code :(
I thought she had a foal, but it died? Such a shame.
I haven't pulled a produce report for her, but there is some kind of no foal report in for her. So the foal must've been stillborn or died before S/N. I probably should've said she didn't produce a LIVE foal.
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Wed May 17, 2017 8:22 pm

I mean there were so many choices. Oh well. Watch the foal be a champion and any time she sees Galileo/Frankel/etc it's a dud.
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Wed May 17, 2017 8:29 pm

I've had several hours for it to sink in and I still can't believe they sent her to Curlin.
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Thu May 18, 2017 9:28 pm

Starine wrote:I've had several hours for it to sink in and I still can't believe they sent her to Curlin.
Me either.
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Thu May 18, 2017 10:41 pm

Curlin's a pretty effin' good sire.
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Thu May 18, 2017 10:45 pm

Izvestia wrote:Curlin's a pretty effin' good sire.


Yes he is. Just kinda came out of nowhere.
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Fri May 19, 2017 1:27 am

Izvestia wrote:Curlin's a pretty effin' good sire.
He is, but not as a turf sire. I know Tepin has won on the dirt, but obviously she was much better on the turf.
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Fri May 19, 2017 12:13 pm

They might not necessarily be looking at matching surface types but rather distance types, how much speed/stamina the horse carried, temperament etc.
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Fri May 19, 2017 7:06 pm

Might not be wanting to breed her towards turf. They may be a physical match. And, I think Curlin has a pedigree that could go either way - Smart Strike could go either way as a sire.
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