Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby Ken » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:41 am

I noticed the full brother of Declaration of War is in the Keeneland September sale. His name is The Presidency. I have no idea if Joseph Allen really plans on selling him but from a statistical standpoint can anyone name any full brother or sisters than were also great horses? It strikes me as odd a person with deep pockets would sell a full brother to Declaration of War if the horse had shown any talent. But if he is so bold to name him The Presidency wouldn't you think he has talent?
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby Admin » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:13 pm

No one has a clue if a yearling has talent. It's far too early. You're just getting beyond worrying that all the parts and pieces came together in a good way at the yearling stage.
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby bare it all » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:15 pm

Ken wrote:I noticed the full brother of Declaration of War is in the Keeneland September sale. His name is The Presidency. I have no idea if Joseph Allen really plans on selling him but from a statistical standpoint can anyone name any full brother or sisters than were also great horses? It strikes me as odd a person with deep pockets would sell a full brother to Declaration of War if the horse had shown any talent. But if he is so bold to name him The Presidency wouldn't you think he has talent?


Mares can drop multiple good horses and that mare already has a few nice ones on the page. Will he be another Declaration of War? Maybe not, but on blood alone he could be a regional stallion prospect. Look at Curlin To Mischief.
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby Diver52 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:33 pm

Of course there are superior full siblings--maybe not "great" because that is rare, but very good. One which comes to mind is the pair of juvenile champions produced by the Princequillo mare Misty Morn to the cover of Bold Ruler, Bold Lad and Successor. (Hmm, that cross sounds familiar. . . :D ) But I know there is a school of thought that prefers "close but not exact," e.g. breed AP's dam to Empire Maker or even Bodemeister rather than going straight back to PotN.

Misty Morn also produced the superior Sunrise Flight.
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby firehorse » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:26 pm

Tiznows full brother Budroyale may not have been as brilliant but he was a multiple graded stakes winner and earned $2.8M, their full sister Tizdubai only raced 4 times but won the G2 Sorrento.
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby bare it all » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:08 am

The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Hasili.

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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby carole » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:32 pm

Not all are full siblings but the progeny that Urban Sea has produced has been outstanding. 2 Derby winners (both now excellent sires with Galileo absolutely dominating), 4 Grade 1 winners overall, an Oaks placed filly and another listed stakes winner who is also off the mark as a sire with his first crop. And the fillies she has produced have had a good produce record as well. But most of all, her name will be carried on through many generations thanks to Galileo and Sea The Stars.
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby aethervox » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:48 pm

Avalyn Hill has an article on BloodHorse.com that addresses this: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/115014/a-case-for-full-siblings

Some other examples I can recall are:

Better Than Honour produced Jazil, Rags to Riches and Casino Drive

Leslie's Lady produced Beholder and Into Mischief, both G1 winners

Urban Sea produced Galileo and Sea the Stars

Marguerite produced multiple stakes winners Petee-Wrack (by Wrack), Gallant Fox and Fighting Fox (both by Sir Gallahad III).
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby carole » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:29 pm

aethervox wrote:Avalyn Hill has an article on BloodHorse.com that addresses this: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/115014/a-case-for-full-siblings

Some other examples I can recall are:

Better Than Honour produced Jazil, Rags to Riches and Casino Drive

Leslie's Lady produced Beholder and Into Mischief, both G1 winners

Urban Sea produced Galileo and Sea the Stars

Marguerite produced multiple stakes winners Petee-Wrack (by Wrack), Gallant Fox and Fighting Fox (both by Sir Gallahad III).

Whilst both brilliant, the two were just half brothers. Black Sam Bellamy was a full brother to Galileo (both out of the brilliant Sadler's Wells) whilst the closest brother to STS was Born To Sea whose sire Invincible Spirit was out of Green Desert (just as STS's sire Cape Cross) so they are 3/4 brothers, ish. Although Oaks placed All Too Beautiful was a full to Galileo
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Re: Brothers/Sisters of Top Proven Horses

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:31 pm

Kind has done pretty well, with Bullet Train, Frankel and Noble Mission. I think there's also an OK colt, Morpheus?
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