Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby Miesque1973 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:30 pm

I'm searching for the female line of this mare:

SILVERTON(KEN), gray, foaled 1996, by Rana Pratap(USA)
x Cape Wind(KEN), yob?? by Murrmatch(GB)
x Torcombe, yob?? by Dobrush(ITY)
x Torvale, yob??, by Toronto(GB)

According to PQ, Torvale's dam might be a mare named Landswell, foaled c. 1952, but there's nothing much to verify that.

Silverton is the dam of:
Heard the One(KEN), gr.f. 2008 (Heard a Whisper(GB) - Kenya Fillies' Guineas, Kenya Oaks
Roxanne(KEN), gr.f. 2007 (Landfall(SNL) - Kenya Oaks

Torvale's dam may be a mare named Lanswell, foaled c. 1952. Silverton is very likely a half-bred, since the Kenya Jockey Club Stud Book has the mare in the "List of Mares Not Eligible for the Stud Book", but I want to be sure that there's no connections to any confirmed lines.

And yes, I am tormenting myself again, trying to find obscure horses that won Triple Crown races in various countries, hither to yon. I'm deep into Zimbabwe again and then took a foray into Kenya. I don't know why.

And by the way, what is 'SNL' supposed to stand for, aside from 'unfunny skit show on NBC'?

Any theories? :)

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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby neighhey » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:04 pm

Well, I had never though about horse racing in Kenya. So I've learned something today! ;)

Maybe SNL is Senegal?
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby Miesque1973 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:13 pm

I was thinking that Senegal might be it (if I can get the pedigree of the horse in question, I might be able to confirm it at bloodlines.net). If they can have racing in Kenya (Beryl Markham trained a filly named Wise Child to win the Kenya St. Leger in 1930-something), they might well have racing Senegal. If they have racing in Senegal, and a Triple Crown series, then I really do have my work cut out! :D

Landfall(SNL), 1998 Llandaff-Vilhena(SWI), by Last Fandago(IRE)

(bloodlines.net designates Senegal as 'SEN', by the way. So I'm still a little fumbuzzled, though I do think Senegal is the best bet. Plus there's lists of Kenyan classic winners--http://www.jockeyclubofkenya.com/pdf/Past_winners.pdf-- back to... well, a few years ago, anyway. I have no doubt these races have been around a lot longer than they're saying)

I did not find Landfall himself anywhere but in the Kenya Jockey Club Stud Book (google it--it comes right up in PDF), but I did find his dam in the APR.

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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby BlindLucky » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:05 pm

I read something that suggested SNL means "sired north of the line" (north of the equator), but that doesn't sound very specific.

Page 4 of the South African Paint and Pinto Club defines it that way:
http://littlegoliath.co.za/Paintpinto/S ... 0-2015.pdf
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby BlindLucky » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:09 pm

Okay, yeah, here's a whole article on the SNL designation:
http://epublishbyus.com/ebook/ebook?id=10004812#/32

"Southern hemisphere yearlings sired by a stallion in the northern hemisphere."
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby neighhey » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:39 pm

I have no clue if this is of any value in this discussion, but apparently Senegal DOES have racing. I've found info about a racetrack in Thies.
https://m.facebook.com/courseshippiquesausenegal/
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby neighhey » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:02 pm

In case you wanted to read even more about SNL ;)

http://www.kznbreeders.co.za/News22082011.html

I really had no idea...always cool to learn something new!
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby Flanders » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:46 am

Not really helping but I read the Kenya Derby was first held in 1914. I don't know if its been run the entire time though.
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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby Miesque1973 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:58 am

<shrieks> 1914? And I thought Scandinavia's Triple Crown histories were a nightmare! LOL!

Zimbabwe's Triple Crown is also a hideous venture. The Bloodstock South Africa is one of the legs in that series, but I've not been able to find winners prior to 2009. Possibly the name was changed or it was a different race entirely or maybe it's all just my imagination.

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Re: Fun with Obscure Pedigrees

Postby Treve » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:27 pm

Keep doing god's work, Miesque :lol:
I am at work but if I can find a moment to myself I will see if I can help dig up anything.
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