Fasig-Tipton November 2013

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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:17 pm

Natalma wrote:
second_glance wrote:
amfuller wrote:Who are all these ladies going to?

Mi Sueno, i/f to Frankel, $1.9M, to Katsumi Yoshida,

This one really hurts.
Yea it does :(
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:19 pm

Natalma wrote:Betterbetterbetter for $5.2 million
To who?

Very happy Authenticity stays here.
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:19 pm

amfuller wrote:Champagne D'oro in foal to Tapit sold for $2.7
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:19 pm

Natalma wrote:Betterbetterbetter for $5.2 million
Stays here Sold to Mandy Pope!
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:21 pm

amfuller wrote:This sale is almost depressing with all these mares going to Japan!

It's VERY sad. I have nothing against the Japanese. But if our breeders continue to allow our top racemares and bloodlines to leave, what does that leave for the US breeding industry? Yes, you can say there are plenty of horses to go around. But I am talking about the quality. In Lingerie and Mi Sueno could have been a prize jewel for any US breeding operation. I don't get it. Is it the money? Neither went for particularly high prices. Another symptom of the sport dying a slow death here.

Oh look, Champagne D'oro is headed to Japan, too.
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:23 pm

second_glance wrote:
Natalma wrote:Betterbetterbetter for $5.2 million
Stays here Sold to Mandy Pope!
She is not afraid to spend some money, is she. Good for her and good for us "triple Better" stays here!!! :D
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:25 pm

second_glance wrote:
Natalma wrote:New sale topper....
$5.2M!!! By Galileo, i/f War Front

to Mandy Pope!
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:25 pm

Natalie Voss says 3 of the top 6 will stay here.

The half to MMM was an RNA at $675K
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:26 pm

amfuller wrote:1/2 sister to Mucho Macho Man by Tapit sold $675,000
Shocking RNA. Really?
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:30 pm

Natalma wrote:
amfuller wrote:1/2 sister to Mucho Macho Man by Tapit sold $675,000
Shocking RNA. Really?
She was a late addition after MMM's Classic win, somebody is trying to make a quick buck. ;)
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:34 pm

Natalma wrote:
amfuller wrote:This sale is almost depressing with all these mares going to Japan!

It's VERY sad. I have nothing against the Japanese. But if our breeders continue to allow our top racemares and bloodlines to leave, what does that leave for the US breeding industry? Yes, you can say there are plenty of horses to go around. But I am talking about the quality. In Lingerie and Mi Sueno could have been a prize jewel for any US breeding operation. I don't get it. Is it the money? Neither went for particularly high prices. Another symptom of the sport dying a slow death here.

Oh look, Champagne D'oro is headed to Japan, too.
Seems to me this is fairly cyclical. And largely dependent on world economics. After all, in the '50s/60s didn't Americans buy a lot of stallions from war-ravaged Europe?
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:41 pm

Ziggypop wrote:
second_glance wrote:
Natalma wrote:Betterbetterbetter for $5.2 million
Stays here Sold to Mandy Pope!
She is not afraid to spend some money, is she. Good for her and good for us "triple Better" stays here!!! :D
I pray Mandy gets some success!
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:24 am

second_glance wrote:
Natalma wrote:
amfuller wrote:This sale is almost depressing with all these mares going to Japan!

It's VERY sad. I have nothing against the Japanese. But if our breeders continue to allow our top racemares and bloodlines to leave, what does that leave for the US breeding industry? Yes, you can say there are plenty of horses to go around. But I am talking about the quality. In Lingerie and Mi Sueno could have been a prize jewel for any US breeding operation. I don't get it. Is it the money? Neither went for particularly high prices. Another symptom of the sport dying a slow death here.

Oh look, Champagne D'oro is headed to Japan, too.
Seems to me this is fairly cyclical. And largely dependent on world economics. After all, in the '50s/60s didn't Americans buy a lot of stallions from war-ravaged Europe?
I think it started after World War I and continued into the 60s.
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:35 am

second_glance wrote:
Natalma wrote:
amfuller wrote:This sale is almost depressing with all these mares going to Japan!

It's VERY sad. I have nothing against the Japanese. But if our breeders continue to allow our top racemares and bloodlines to leave, what does that leave for the US breeding industry? Yes, you can say there are plenty of horses to go around. But I am talking about the quality. In Lingerie and Mi Sueno could have been a prize jewel for any US breeding operation. I don't get it. Is it the money? Neither went for particularly high prices. Another symptom of the sport dying a slow death here.

Oh look, Champagne D'oro is headed to Japan, too.
Seems to me this is fairly cyclical. And largely dependent on world economics. After all, in the '50s/60s didn't Americans buy a lot of stallions from war-ravaged Europe?

This still does not change the fact that our racing industry down the road is going to suffer from the depletion of our wonderful mares and stallions. Especially the mares, that really upsets me. So what if I am just a fan at the moment? I want to see a quality horse at the track, I want our country to produce the best of the best, what is wrong with that? Pride in what we produce should be important to everyone. It has a trickle down effect, if we produce good animals and they perform well on the track then you attract more fans to the races. Has anybody ever thought the reason you have not seen a TC winner in so long is because we have been watering down the bloodstock here? We have been selling off at a crazy pace since the 80's, first with the high priced yearlings, then the stallions being shipped abroad and now it's an all out assault on the broodmare ranks.

To think that this has no effect on not having a TC winner or other top horses is insane. And things are not going to get better. I wonder what a list of the recent, say the last 5 years or so of top winners in this country, TC races, handicap and BC race winners, Eclipse champions, etc. would look like if somebody listed them all and took a hard look to see how many have left this country and to what country they were exported to. I think it would be very depressing indeed.

You don't see Japan willing to part with any of their champions do you? They are more than willing to purchase top horses around the world but they sure don't want to share the wealth. They look out for their country and tough darts to the rest of the world. They have the right idea, worry about your own home first and foremost. Why are we not doing the same? Has this country of ours so lost it's desire to be great that we will do anything for a buck. Sometimes things don't have a price.

I think this is a sad day for the American racing and breeding industry. :cry:

As I have said before, I could care less about a stupid online video, worrying about them being made into dog food, if they are taken care of, etc. I am worried about our genetic pool turning into an also ran, fragile, mess. With the looks of how many horses can't race for an entire year without injury it seems that day may already be dawning here.
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:27 am

:(

I just hope you wouldn't take someone's post on the other thread too seriously...
That poster is not my friend, but I would guess that he was either drunk or sarcastic.
I wouldn't think he told the truth, anyway.

I firmly believe and can swear that the majority of Japanese racing fans and horsemen are hoping that Japan's best bloodlines (especially Sunday Silence's) are spreading to the entire world.
And that's Japan's final goal!! :D
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:48 am

Private Thoughts wrote:
This still does not change the fact that our racing industry down the road is going to suffer from the depletion of our wonderful mares and stallions. Especially the mares, that really upsets me. So what if I am just a fan at the moment? I want to see a quality horse at the track, I want our country to produce the best of the best, what is wrong with that? Pride in what we produce should be important to everyone. It has a trickle down effect, if we produce good animals and they perform well on the track then you attract more fans to the races. Has anybody ever thought the reason you have not seen a TC winner in so long is because we have been watering down the bloodstock here? We have been selling off at a crazy pace since the 80's, first with the high priced yearlings, then the stallions being shipped abroad and now it's an all out assault on the broodmare ranks.

To think that this has no effect on not having a TC winner or other top horses is insane. And things are not going to get better. I wonder what a list of the recent, say the last 5 years or so of top winners in this country, TC races, handicap and BC race winners, Eclipse champions, etc. would look like if somebody listed them all and took a hard look to see how many have left this country and to what country they were exported to. I think it would be very depressing indeed.

You don't see Japan willing to part with any of their champions do you? They are more than willing to purchase top horses around the world but they sure don't want to share the wealth. They look out for their country and tough darts to the rest of the world. They have the right idea, worry about your own home first and foremost. Why are we not doing the same? Has this country of ours so lost it's desire to be great that we will do anything for a buck. Sometimes things don't have a price.

I think this is a sad day for the American racing and breeding industry. :cry:

As I have said before, I could care less about a stupid online video, worrying about them being made into dog food, if they are taken care of, etc. I am worried about our genetic pool turning into an also ran, fragile, mess. With the looks of how many horses can't race for an entire year without injury it seems that day may already be dawning here.

Your points are well taken. But who do you think should step up and buy those expensive mares? Clearly the majority of American TB breeders don't have the money to do so. Racehorse owners lose thousands of dollars every year financing the sport. A big sale of a good horse is what enables them to continue. Horse racing in Japan is a totally different business model. If we ran for the purses that the Japanese do, perhaps fewer good horses would leave the U.S. at the end of their careers. The perception that all horse owners are millionaires is ridiculous. For many owners, the biggest single asset they own--or will ever own--is the horse that suddenly jumps up and becomes great. And once that happens, expenses (like insurance) rise exponentially. Many of these horses are sold because their owners simply cannot afford to continue to own them.

Everybody moans about the good horses leaving the country. But everyone seems to expect that someone else should put up the money to stop that from happening. How about if 300 internet posters get together and each put up $5,000 and buy one of those mares? It wouldn't keep them all from leaving, but it would be a start.
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:04 pm

TBird wrote:
Private Thoughts wrote:
This still does not change the fact that our racing industry down the road is going to suffer from the depletion of our wonderful mares and stallions. Especially the mares, that really upsets me. So what if I am just a fan at the moment? I want to see a quality horse at the track, I want our country to produce the best of the best, what is wrong with that? Pride in what we produce should be important to everyone. It has a trickle down effect, if we produce good animals and they perform well on the track then you attract more fans to the races. Has anybody ever thought the reason you have not seen a TC winner in so long is because we have been watering down the bloodstock here? We have been selling off at a crazy pace since the 80's, first with the high priced yearlings, then the stallions being shipped abroad and now it's an all out assault on the broodmare ranks.

To think that this has no effect on not having a TC winner or other top horses is insane. And things are not going to get better. I wonder what a list of the recent, say the last 5 years or so of top winners in this country, TC races, handicap and BC race winners, Eclipse champions, etc. would look like if somebody listed them all and took a hard look to see how many have left this country and to what country they were exported to. I think it would be very depressing indeed.

You don't see Japan willing to part with any of their champions do you? They are more than willing to purchase top horses around the world but they sure don't want to share the wealth. They look out for their country and tough darts to the rest of the world. They have the right idea, worry about your own home first and foremost. Why are we not doing the same? Has this country of ours so lost it's desire to be great that we will do anything for a buck. Sometimes things don't have a price.

I think this is a sad day for the American racing and breeding industry. :cry:

As I have said before, I could care less about a stupid online video, worrying about them being made into dog food, if they are taken care of, etc. I am worried about our genetic pool turning into an also ran, fragile, mess. With the looks of how many horses can't race for an entire year without injury it seems that day may already be dawning here.

Your points are well taken. But who do you think should step up and buy those expensive mares? Clearly the majority of American TB breeders don't have the money to do so. Racehorse owners lose thousands of dollars every year financing the sport. A big sale of a good horse is what enables them to continue. Horse racing in Japan is a totally different business model. If we ran for the purses that the Japanese do, perhaps fewer good horses would leave the U.S. at the end of their careers. The perception that all horse owners are millionaires is ridiculous. For many owners, the biggest single asset they own--or will ever own--is the horse that suddenly jumps up and becomes great. And once that happens, expenses (like insurance) rise exponentially. Many of these horses are sold because their owners simply cannot afford to continue to own them.

Everybody moans about the good horses leaving the country. But everyone seems to expect that someone else should put up the money to stop that from happening. How about if 300 internet posters get together and each put up $5,000 and buy one of those mares? It wouldn't keep them all from leaving, but it would be a start.
We are too broke having bought up as many of the breeders, owners, and trainers, "throw aways" as we can.
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:19 pm

How about if 300 internet posters get together and each put up $5,000 and buy one of those mares? It wouldn't keep them all from leaving, but it would be a start.
If you all want to pool your resources and buy Groupie Doll, she can stay at my house.
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:21 pm

second_glance wrote:Palace Rumor, dam of Palace Malice, to Japan (Northern Farm), $1.1M
:(
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:45 pm

Katewerk wrote:
How about if 300 internet posters get together and each put up $5,000 and buy one of those mares? It wouldn't keep them all from leaving, but it would be a start.
If you all want to pool your resources and buy Groupie Doll, she can stay at my house.
Well for Groupie Doll we'd need over 600 people pitching in $5,000, and I'm sure Mandy Pope would beat us any way.
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