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SSilence86
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Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:42 am

Ah. Ok. Foal would come out yearling sized :o

For some reason my tired mind was thinking the other way.
This is what happens when I work, move to a new house & try to get my child ready for the new school year all at once.
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firehorse wrote:Sorry to hear they are divorcing, kind of surprised even though it looked like they were divesting their interest in their stock, the guy is 82 (why bother?), gonna assume he's got something else going on - glad to see Ann will keep updating on Z. Regardless of what's going on, they really have been great to the fans of their horses.
They have been great to Z's fans. And paved the path for others in the industry to be more fan friendly.
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:21 am

SSilence86 wrote:Ah. Ok. Foal would come out yearling sized :o

For some reason my tired mind was thinking the other way.
This is what happens when I work, move to a new house & try to get my child ready for the new school year all at once.
Depends on what you're referring to. I'm not sure Zen to UM would cause foaling complications from size, however that would be a very slow maturing horse, and one very vulnerable during its growth. Then even if it got over that, it puts a horse more at risk while running if it's too big, there's only so much weight their skeleton is designed to carry and human intervention has allowed that weight to sometimes exceed what is 'safe'.
With breeding a very large male to a very small female that's were potentially you'd run into foaling complications but then wouldn't necessarily encounter the same kind of growth related and racing related sizing issues.
In general nature does her best so that the foal is usually small enough at birth to walk under the dam's belly, but there are so many factors that can come into play.

It's mostly a question of extremes, you don't want to breed extremes, whether it is a very large male with a very large female, or a very large male with a very small female.
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SSilence86
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:29 pm

Treve wrote:
SSilence86 wrote:Ah. Ok. Foal would come out yearling sized :o

For some reason my tired mind was thinking the other way.
This is what happens when I work, move to a new house & try to get my child ready for the new school year all at once.
Depends on what you're referring to. I'm not sure Zen to UM would cause foaling complications from size, however that would be a very slow maturing horse, and one very vulnerable during its growth. Then even if it got over that, it puts a horse more at risk while running if it's too big, there's only so much weight their skeleton is designed to carry and human intervention has allowed that weight to sometimes exceed what is 'safe'.
With breeding a very large male to a very small female that's were potentially you'd run into foaling complications but then wouldn't necessarily encounter the same kind of growth related and racing related sizing issues.
In general nature does her best so that the foal is usually small enough at birth to walk under the dam's belly, but there are so many factors that can come into play.

It's mostly a question of extremes, you don't want to breed extremes, whether it is a very large male with a very large female, or a very large male with a very small female.
Nah. Wasn't thinking foaling complications really. You should never breed 1 extreme to another extreme. I've seen very tragic results from cases like that.
Was just thinking the foal, when dropped had the potential to be huge.
I'm still impressed that Settling Mist foaled that moose Tonalist.
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:56 pm

You don't really expect Tapit to sire a "moose." :P
I wonder how tall Tonalist is? His Stallion Register page doesn't provide that info, and those stallion profiles usually give the height of the stud. :?
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:05 am

Tonalist takes after the Pleasant Colony side. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Pleasantly Perfect.
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:12 pm

Friday Photos up on zenyatta.com : )

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Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:27 am

awwww.... zenny's little girl is such a cutie!!
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:35 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:You don't really expect Tapit to sire a "moose." :P
I wonder how tall Tonalist is? His Stallion Register page doesn't provide that info, and those stallion profiles usually give the height of the stud. :?
Means he's probably 15.2hh or under. 15.3 gets "rounded" up to 16hh in TB stallion ads and if a horse is shorter than that his height is omitted altogether.
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Miss Woodford wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:You don't really expect Tapit to sire a "moose." :P
I wonder how tall Tonalist is? His Stallion Register page doesn't provide that info, and those stallion profiles usually give the height of the stud. :?
Means he's probably 15.2hh or under. 15.3 gets "rounded" up to 16hh in TB stallion ads and if a horse is shorter than that his height is omitted altogether.
Ha. Tonalist is not under 15.2. The only question is how much over 17 hands he is.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:39 am

Yeah, there's no way Tonalist is that small. If short stallions get their measurements 'rounded up,' then probably very tall stallions have their stats rounded down.
For example, Americain is listed as 16.3. Phfft. :roll: You want to talk about 17-hand-or-over horses, IMO he qualifies. I watched his Melbourne Cup win, and he made the other horses look like hunter ponies.
I don't think any owner wants his stud to seem either too short or too tall; it makes the pool of mares that would fit them physically much smaller.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:40 pm

mariasmon wrote:
Miss Woodford wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:You don't really expect Tapit to sire a "moose." :P
I wonder how tall Tonalist is? His Stallion Register page doesn't provide that info, and those stallion profiles usually give the height of the stud. :?
Means he's probably 15.2hh or under. 15.3 gets "rounded" up to 16hh in TB stallion ads and if a horse is shorter than that his height is omitted altogether.
Ha. Tonalist is not under 15.2. The only question is how much over 17 hands he is.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:32 pm

Tonalist is 17 h and weighs 1,355 lbs.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:09 pm

Judging from the new photos at Zenyatta.com, I'd guess that the MDO filly is going to be good-sized when she's grown.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:18 pm

I wonder if Lane's End is getting any inquires from Warmblood breeders? :P
Seriously, it wouldn't be hard for any TB farm to set up a second revenue stream for their stallions, by using semen collection for AI in other breeds. Set a lower, second-tier charge for other breeds, knowing that Jockey Club rules would prevent anyone from turning around and trying to race the offspring (if the dam was a TB).
IIRC, there have been TB sprinters who have been popular with QH breeders, and I suspect that AI would have been used.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I wonder if Lane's End is getting any inquires from Warmblood breeders? :P
Seriously, it wouldn't be hard for any TB farm to set up a second revenue stream for their stallions, by using semen collection for AI in other breeds. Set a lower, second-tier charge for other breeds, knowing that Jockey Club rules would prevent anyone from turning around and trying to race the offspring (if the dam was a TB).
IIRC, there have been TB sprinters who have been popular with QH breeders, and I suspect that AI would have been used.
They could also do this in the off season, because you freeze the swimmers anyway. They don't have the facilities, but it's not hard.

Always risk with every collection though. I get that. But Union Rags would pop out an awful pretty hunter. :D
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:40 am

Wasn't Storm cat being used for QH breeding even after he retired? I swear I recall something like that. I imagine it's much easier on an older stallion to collect for AI than doing live mounts... and probably can do several insemination off a single collection.
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bare it all wrote:Wasn't Storm cat being used for QH breeding even after he retired? I swear I recall something like that. I imagine it's much easier on an older stallion to collect for AI than doing live mounts... and probably can do several insemination off a single collection.
DWL bred a QH mare to him. Other than that I don't know if he was bred to any other QH on a regular basis.
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PONYRCR wrote:
bare it all wrote:Wasn't Storm cat being used for QH breeding even after he retired? I swear I recall something like that. I imagine it's much easier on an older stallion to collect for AI than doing live mounts... and probably can do several insemination off a single collection.
DWL bred a QH mare to him. Other than that I don't know if he was bred to any other QH on a regular basis.
I remember reading that too. I think after he was pensioned he did breed a few. But I don't think it was more than one or two, since his fertility wasn't great. (I don't have any inside info, just remember reading this in the Blood horse or something)
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Squally wrote:
PONYRCR wrote:
bare it all wrote:Wasn't Storm cat being used for QH breeding even after he retired? I swear I recall something like that. I imagine it's much easier on an older stallion to collect for AI than doing live mounts... and probably can do several insemination off a single collection.
DWL bred a QH mare to him. Other than that I don't know if he was bred to any other QH on a regular basis.
I remember reading that too. I think after he was pensioned he did breed a few. But I don't think it was more than one or two, since his fertility wasn't great. (I don't have any inside info, just remember reading this in the Blood horse or something)
I think the QH offspring were conceived from frozen semen that had been collected well before he was pensioned from stud. He was also cloned, with the clones aimed for use as polo ponies.
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