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Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:36 pm
by Miss Woodford
Flanders wrote:
Starine wrote:On Forty Niner's Wikipedia page it states:
He also sired a half thoroughbred half Paint horse, Fifty. Fifty is a world class Performance horse shown with Dubin farms and currently Sinclair Performance Horses.
Has anyone verified this? I would love to see a photo if he does exist.
I don't doubt that they test breed stallions their first year at stud but I do doubt he is Forty Niner's son. I mean it would make the horse 28. Forty Niner was sold to Japan in 1995, with his last US crop being born in 1996. The horse just doesn't look that old. I did a little searching and I think he is a descendant of Forty Niner.

I think he is by Forty Niner's son, Flight Forty Nine. This is what I found:
FLIGHT FORTY NINE TB. Stakes Winner, $126,768. Sire of FIFTY (APHA) (1,615 APHA points: APHA Reserve World Champion 2-Year-Old Open Hunter Under Saddle; APHA Amateur and Youth Versatility Champion; APHA Open, Amateur, and Youth Champion; top 10, APHA Honor Roll 2-Year-Old Open Stallion and Amateur Barrel Racing; Superior Open, Amateur, and Youth Hunter Under Saddle; Superior Amateur Horsemanship, Showmanship, and Western Pleasure; Superior Youth Hunt Seat Equitation, Halter, and Showmanship)

http://www.professionalauction.com/11_P ... ration.pdf - from Hip 51

Which leads me to believe he is a full thoroughbred registered as I'm Fifty, who didn't race. He is listed as Fifty on All Breed.
That makes much more sense, yes. I saw that pedigree on the All Breed database but assumed the Fifty in question wasn't full TB. I'm curious where he got that color?

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:46 pm
by Starine
Thanks for the research, Flanders.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:45 pm
by Delamont
I Spot A Cartel, race 5, July 7 at Los Al...listed as a paint. He's pretty spectacular (came in second).

https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Resul ... y=G&rbt=QH

In that same short (100 yards!) race, there was also a palomino. I failed to get his name, but he didn't win either.

Wish there were pics.

PS: La Candidata. Finished third.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/la+candidata

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:54 am
by Treve
Kenlake broke her Maiden in Race 2 at Mountaineer
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Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:34 am
by Delamont
Cool!

She looks little, or am I imagining? Listed (of course!) as a bay. :lol:

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:18 pm
by Starine

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:36 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Really flashy filly with what looks like nice conformation....and they're going to name her Mini-Me? :? :oops:

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:25 am
by Miss Woodford
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Really flashy filly with what looks like nice conformation....and they're going to name her Mini-Me? :? :oops:
That's pretty clearly a nickname.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:15 am
by Flanders
She is registered as Saluki.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:51 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Saluki is a lovely name; the Saluki dog is one of the most beautiful and graceful breeds in the world. Thanks for the info.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm
by Starine
Southern Phantom Set for Debut at Saratoga
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... t-saratoga

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:58 pm
by Starine
Hope this link works; it's Southern Phantom schooling today at the Spa:

https://www.facebook.com/WatchXBTV/vide ... 293706988/

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:56 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:03 am
by Retrospectiv
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?
Not necessarily from Bode. Likely a new KIT mutation. There have been other TBs who looked like true splash but never tested for it. Likely an unknown similar mutation.
Yes, he could be cross registered APHA.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:52 am
by Ridan_Remembered
Phantom is quite spectacular. If he can run some, he will acquire tons of fans.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:07 pm
by Treve
Retrospectiv wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:That boy has a LOT of white on him. :o Is that all coming from Bodemeister?
Could he be cross-registered with a Paint Horse registry?
Not necessarily from Bode. Likely a new KIT mutation. There have been other TBs who looked like true splash but never tested for it. Likely an unknown similar mutation.
Yes, he could be cross registered APHA.
Bode has been throwing a lot of loudly marked foals though these two from last year, especially the first colt presents a similar pattern so I don't think it's a spontaneous kit mutation. And these are just some of the flashiest examples, you can easily find more babies with plenty of chrome by him too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/
Sparrow Castle wrote: Christie DeBernardis ‏@CDeBernardisTDN
Love the eyes on this soon-to-be gray #Bodemeister filly bred by Edition Farm
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2016 c Bodemeister x Fact File
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2014 f Bodemeister x Inside Passage
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Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:15 pm
by ThreeMustangs
Starine wrote:Southern Phantom Set for Debut at Saratoga
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... t-saratoga
He finished fifth.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:06 pm
by Retrospectiv
Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:53 am
by Treve
Retrospectiv wrote:Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.
Did you look at the first one in the instagram link? That's the colt I was referring to that has the exact same type of pattern expression as SP. (I couldn't get a separate picture to post)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/

Re: horses with unique coloring/facial markings

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:52 am
by Retrospectiv
Treve wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:Re: Treve,

While many of those foals are loudly coloured, they're not the specific splashed white phenotype that SP expresses. Socks and blazes are not abnormal within large foal crops.
I'd love to see the gene discovered in TBs that mimics that pattern.

I would not be surprised if Unbridled was a frame carrier, given the big white blaze and solid legs.
Did you look at the first one in the instagram link? That's the colt I was referring to that has the exact same type of pattern expression as SP. (I couldn't get a separate picture to post)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQduh8zgnuH/
Yes I did.
While he's 'loud', he's really not splash phenotype and not that out of the ordinary.