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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Miss Woodford » Sat May 19, 2018 2:54 am

Treve wrote:
mariasmon wrote:
Miss Woodford wrote:Cupid looks like a show pony.


He is 16.3 hands. Their website says 16.0 1/2, but one of the booking guys quoted 16.3 as his actual height. They always seem to fudge. Uncle Mo is advertised as 16.3 and he's more like 17.0 1/2 or 17.1.


I don't think Miss Woodford was referencing his height, just the fact he looks like a fancy show horse :)

Yes, that's what I meant. He has a lovely refined head that reminds me of a Welsh pony.
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Miss Woodford » Sat May 19, 2018 3:19 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Storm the Stars is stunning. Berkshire is quite attractive, and showing a lot of his Arabian forefathers' looks.
If Europe is facing a Sadler's Wells (Northern Dancer) - Danehill (Danzig/Northern Dancer) bottleneck, are there some American stallions who would be a healthy outcross? Or is there just no getting away from Northern Dancer? :?

Stallions from the A.P. Indy, Sunday Silence and Tiznow lines would be their best bet; right now the Mr. Prospector line is their main "outcross". But we also have representatives of Caro, Roberto, Minnesota Mac, Southern Halo, Blushing Groom, Broad Brush, and Damascus, among others. Some lines are hanging on by just one or two popular stallions, but there is far more genetic diversity to be found in the US than in Europe or Japan.
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby mariasmon » Sat May 19, 2018 5:22 am

Miss Woodford wrote:
Treve wrote:
mariasmon wrote:He is 16.3 hands. Their website says 16.0 1/2, but one of the booking guys quoted 16.3 as his actual height. They always seem to fudge. Uncle Mo is advertised as 16.3 and he's more like 17.0 1/2 or 17.1.


I don't think Miss Woodford was referencing his height, just the fact he looks like a fancy show horse :)

Yes, that's what I meant. He has a lovely refined head that reminds me of a Welsh pony.



True. He is a lovely individual.
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Flanders » Sat May 19, 2018 6:03 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Storm the Stars is stunning. Berkshire is quite attractive, and showing a lot of his Arabian forefathers' looks.
If Europe is facing a Sadler's Wells (Northern Dancer) - Danehill (Danzig/Northern Dancer) bottleneck, are there some American stallions who would be a healthy outcross? Or is there just no getting away from Northern Dancer? :?

I don't think there is any way of getting away from Northern Dancer. I looked at the Top 25 European stallions this year and top 50 last year. The vast majority are inbred to Northern Dancer in their first 5 generations. They do have some stallions from other sire lines, though again the vast majority are ND sireline. I did find an In Reality sireline stallion in the top 50 last year but he has Sadler's Wells in his 3rd generation. Anyway here are the ones that are free of Danzig/Danehill/Sadler's Wells and still alive, a few others would make the list.

Dubawi - ND 4x5 (Mr. Prospector sire line)
Shamardal - 4 ND
Lope de Vega - 5 ND
Iffraaj - 3x4 ND - (Mr. Prospector sire line)
Dark Angel - 4x5 ND
Deportivo - 2x4 ND

From the 2017 European Leading Sires:
Acclamation - ND 4
Footstepsinthesand - ND 4x5
Raven's Pass - ND 4 (Mr. Prospector sire line)
Le Havre - ND 3 (Blushing Groom sire line)
Dutch Art - ND 4 (Mr. Prospector sire line)
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Ridan_Remembered » Sat May 19, 2018 7:49 am

Miss Woodford wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Storm the Stars is stunning. Berkshire is quite attractive, and showing a lot of his Arabian forefathers' looks.
If Europe is facing a Sadler's Wells (Northern Dancer) - Danehill (Danzig/Northern Dancer) bottleneck, are there some American stallions who would be a healthy outcross? Or is there just no getting away from Northern Dancer? :?

Stallions from the A.P. Indy, Sunday Silence and Tiznow lines would be their best bet; right now the Mr. Prospector line is their main "outcross". But we also have representatives of Caro, Roberto, Minnesota Mac, Southern Halo, Blushing Groom, Broad Brush, and Damascus, among others. Some lines are hanging on by just one or two popular stallions, but there is far more genetic diversity to be found in the US than in Europe or Japan.


I think Germany also offers diversity for the heavy concentration of Northern Dancer/Mr. Prospector found in UK, Ireland and France.
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby ThreeMustangs » Sat May 19, 2018 9:28 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Storm the Stars is stunning. Berkshire is quite attractive, and showing a lot of his Arabian forefathers' looks.
If Europe is facing a Sadler's Wells (Northern Dancer) - Danehill (Danzig/Northern Dancer) bottleneck, are there some American stallions who would be a healthy outcross? Or is there just no getting away from Northern Dancer? :?


Coolmore are starting to use Deep Impact and it’s paid off nicely with Saxon Warrior. Think of all the Galileo and Danehill-line mares they have to find matches for...
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Treve » Sat May 19, 2018 1:05 pm

Are there, worldwide stallions of each of the three founding sirelines still standing at stud/active? I thought the breed as a whole seemed to have neglected the Byerley line with most stallions either direct male descendants of the Godolphin and Darley lines.
I wonder how much real genetic diversity is left in the breed as a whole, I think if we went by DNA genotyping the breed would be far more inbred than even just going by pedigree.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:17 pm

Thanks for your answers, everyone. I love learning more pedigree stuff. :D
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby ThreeMustangs » Sat May 19, 2018 2:22 pm

Treve wrote:Are there, worldwide stallions of each of the three founding sirelines still standing at stud/active? I thought the breed as a whole seemed to have neglected the Byerley line with most stallions either direct male descendants of the Godolphin and Darley lines.
I wonder how much real genetic diversity is left in the breed as a whole, I think if we went by DNA genotyping the breed would be far more inbred than even just going by pedigree.


If I counted right, Justify has TEN crosses of Native Dancer. Doesn’t that seem like a lot?
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Re: New Conformation Photos

Postby Miss Woodford » Sat May 19, 2018 5:00 pm

Treve wrote:Are there, worldwide stallions of each of the three founding sirelines still standing at stud/active? I thought the breed as a whole seemed to have neglected the Byerley line with most stallions either direct male descendants of the Godolphin and Darley lines.
I wonder how much real genetic diversity is left in the breed as a whole, I think if we went by DNA genotyping the breed would be far more inbred than even just going by pedigree.

Descendents of In Reality are the only active tail-male stallions to the Godolphin Arabian. Tiznow is responsible for ensuring that line's survival in the future.

The Byerley Turk's situation is far more precarious, as Indian Ridge was highly successful (nearly on par with Sadler's Wells and Danehill) yet his sons have *not* been popular in the breeding shed. The best hope is grandson Dunaden, who covered 99 mares in his first season at stud (2015).
The only active tail-male stallion from the Byerley Turk's line that is not a son/grandson of Indian Ridge is T F Classic Twist (Triple Twist), standing in South Carolina as a sporthorse sire, but his owner stated on Facebook last week that he is going to be gelded because he was acting studdish around a mare in heat while schooling eventing. No comment on that. :?
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