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RugbyGirl wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:38 pm
Treve wrote:
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In the post Justify world, expect more and more of these :?
Discussion with friends the other day, If Am Ph didn't exist or didn't win the Triple Crown, How would you feel about Justify becoming the first Triple Crown winner in 40 years then almost immediately retiring?
Robbed. Racing's new hero winning over new and old fans alike, then being whisked away? Talk about crashing down from your high. I know I know, horses are not public property but when you do something so significant to the sport, I feel there is some level of... I don't know how to describe it... conscience? Towards the fans one should have or at least consider.
A filly named Ruffian...

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Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

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Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:27 pm

RugbyGirl wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:38 pm
Treve wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:25 pm
In the post Justify world, expect more and more of these :?
Discussion with friends the other day, If Am Ph didn't exist or didn't win the Triple Crown, How would you feel about Justify becoming the first Triple Crown winner in 40 years then almost immediately retiring?
Expected.

Pharoah, in this day and age of needing to rush 3yos to the shed, will be an anomaly.

Of course, maybe he’s a story like Smarty Jones was. I remember how angry we all were for his BS retirement to just find out the issues he had were fairly genuine later.
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:21 pm

definitely robbed. racing's biggest hero in how long? and off he goes with less than 6 months of screen time. i think AP actually takes the sting out of it - justify was a ridiculous disappointment, but at least i saw AP, too.

and i just wanted to be happy re: justify, but it went from whoa, what a horse! to arguments over race fixing/race riding, to him disappearing as quickly as it began.

i think heartbroken is actually an accurate term for me, and had AP not happened it would be even worse. i'd feel better if justify had lost the TC, frankly.
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:30 pm

I agree Pharoah definitely soothes the sting. He gave something to racing and I feel to fans, that cannot be taken away. He renews hope for the fact that no, Justify doesn’t have to be the new normal.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:02 pm

You gotta give it to Zayat- I am sure Coolmore wanted to retire AP after he won the crown but Zayat wanted
to show off his horse; after AP lost the Travers Zayat wanted to retire him: he was devastated but i think
Baffert convinced him that he could train AP up to the Classic and look what happened. Pharoah really did it all- sure it would have
been great to see him as a four year old but that will probably never happen with a horse that wins the triple crown.
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:09 pm

barbaro111 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:02 pm
You gotta give it to Zayat- I am sure Coolmore wanted to retire AP after he won the crown but Zayat wanted
to show off his horse; after AP lost the Travers Zayat wanted to retire him: he was devastated but i think
Baffert convinced him that he could train AP up to the Classic and look what happened. Pharoah really did it all- sure it would have
been great to see him as a four year old but that will probably never happen with a horse that wins the triple crown.
It won't happen unless they are gelding, or by some chance "old school" connections own the winner.
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:39 pm

A beautiful video of champion sire Lonhro here

https://mobile.twitter.com/Racing/statu ... 8664094721
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:24 pm

First Gr.I winner, and I think graded winner overall, for Cross Traffic in the Frizette.
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Mylute wrote:
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First Gr.I winner, and I think graded winner overall, for Cross Traffic in the Frizette.
Yep. He is the first freshman sire to get a G1SW.
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:17 pm

Flanders wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:55 pm
Mylute wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:24 pm
First Gr.I winner, and I think graded winner overall, for Cross Traffic in the Frizette.
Yep. He is the first freshman sire to get a G1SW.
Nice to see Stop Traffic's son getting off to a nice start as a stallion.
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Avie's Flatter 50th Stakes Winner for Flatter

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... cer-stakes
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:06 pm

I think that unless Godolphin or Juddmonte own the next Triple Crown winner, we won't ever see a TC winner race on as a 4 year old. Both operations obviously hope to turn a profit, but stud fees aren't the be all end all for what are essentially billion dollar passion projects for very wealthy, sporting men.

Coolmore, on the other hand, can be sporting when they feel like it, but despite the $$$ they have, they are in the business of stud fees. I read in some post race article or the other this year that the Coolmore "lads" are now in the stage of their careers where they want to enjoy their horses on the track rather than whisk them to the shed... but then they retire Caravaggio, Churchill, Gleneagles, etc. so I don't really buy that.
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Fresh pics of Satono Aladdin being filmed for a New Zealand breeding show today

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Northport wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:06 pm
I think that unless Godolphin or Juddmonte own the next Triple Crown winner, we won't ever see a TC winner race on as a 4 year old. Both operations obviously hope to turn a profit, but stud fees aren't the be all end all for what are essentially billion dollar passion projects for very wealthy, sporting men.

Coolmore, on the other hand, can be sporting when they feel like it, but despite the $$$ they have, they are in the business of stud fees. I read in some post race article or the other this year that the Coolmore "lads" are now in the stage of their careers where they want to enjoy their horses on the track rather than whisk them to the shed... but then they retire Caravaggio, Churchill, Gleneagles, etc. so I don't really buy that.
I truly think that it wouldn't matter who owned the colt, if he wins the US Triple Crown he is going to retire and not race at 4. Some of the operations are very sporting with their European based horses. But treat their US based horses different, whisking them off to stud ASAP.

Coolmore retires the ones that can bring the best stud fees, the hype horses that are either precocious(Champion 2yos), top sprinters, or good milers/mid distance horses. If they have a horse that specializes in 12f+, they will keep that one in training at 4 and maybe even beyond that.
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:13 pm

You make some very good points. I guess that's why we were lucky enough to have St Nicholas Abbey and Highland Reel for as long as we did.
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:28 am

Coolmore and Godolphin have bills to pay too. Lots of them.
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:32 pm

sweettalk wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:21 pm
definitely robbed. racing's biggest hero in how long? and off he goes with less than 6 months of screen time. i think AP actually takes the sting out of it - justify was a ridiculous disappointment, but at least i saw AP, too.

and i just wanted to be happy re: justify, but it went from whoa, what a horse! to arguments over race fixing/race riding, to him disappearing as quickly as it began.

i think heartbroken is actually an accurate term for me, and had AP not happened it would be even worse. i'd feel better if justify had lost the TC, frankly.
Race fixing? What'd I miss?
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:01 pm

Hawkbill has been retired.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ll-retired
I wonder where he will stand at stud?
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:41 pm

Lane’s End has announced their stud fees for 2019, and as I expected, old man Langfuhr has been pensioned.
Canadian champion and three-time grade 1 winner Langfuhr , who has stood at Lane's End since 2004, has been pensioned. The 26-year-old son of Danzig has sired 75 black-type winners worldwide, of which 23 are graded/group winners and five are champions. His son Wando won the 2003 Canadian Triple Crown and was subsequently named Canadian Horse of the Year and champion 3-year-old. Langfuhr's runners collectively earned more than $114.1 million.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... 019-roster
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:09 pm

I wonder if Darley will stand hawkbill themselves
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