Stallion News

Re: Stallion News

Postby lurkey mclurker » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:03 pm

Northport wrote:Give Maurice a year or two to grow out his mane and I think he will blow Kizuna and Orfevre out of the water. :lol:


Good point LOL :lol: There's a reason why the Aussies call him the Beast From the East!
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Treve » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:29 am

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Northport wrote:Has there even been this much buzz for a freshman stallion who raced 5 times, won 2 G2s, and retired after an injury while prepping for the Kentucky Derby? Whose fee has been almost tripled before his first progeny even hit the track?

That's only partly a rhetorical question, I'd be interested if anyone does recall when a horse with a relatively modest (ie. no G1 wins) track record, decent pedigree (though POTN blew up after Cairo Prince stood his first season), standing for a not really eye watering sum.

I know Danzig, Malibu Moon, etc. barely raced before they were retired to stud, but where people as excited about their first crops as we're seeing with Cairo Prince?

Idk, I've just been following Cairo Prince for a few years now, and it's fascinating how there has been so much hype from everyone involved with him. I'm really excited for his first crop to hit the track.



Since Danzig and Malibu Moon were freshmen, the industry has changed. I think it’s noteworthy that people are so attracted to him because he’s not getting super early horses, but is expected to have later developers. Or mid-range developers.
Let’s face it - he was very talented and we never really got to see what he was made of. He’s a mystery in that regard.


I think that's part of the excitement, the mystery. Add to that the Triple Crown Fairy Dust from Pharoah, followed up with Classic Empire's undefeated Champion juvenile season (-the antics in the Hopeful) showing that PotN could be some kind of sire. Then when his foals started hitting the ground they got a lot of good comments, and his yearlings were so well received. That his yearlings are so consistent and impressive in spite of probably being mid-range/later developers probably just adds to the anticipation. With the recent loss of Holy Bull I'm doubly rooting for Cairo Prince. It's even more exciting to consider that this first crop was what 10k a pop? And the quality of mares he's gotten has only increased in the following crops.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Izvestia » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:04 am

I’m a super fan of the sire line through Unbridled, and I am always rooting for them to do well.
Interesting that we’ve got two of them this year that have done so well from Unbridled/Fappiano in Will Take Charge and Cairo Prince. Both are big, strapping individuals who will have late developers that go a distance. I can’t wait to see how they do!
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Ridan_Remembered » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:42 pm

Take Charge Indy is the #1 second crop sire in North America by a wide margin so far in 2018. https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... econd-crop

So unfortunate that he was sold before his first crop hit the races. Supposedly his first foals to hit the sales a couple of years ago were not very well received. Seems like Sunday Silence redux at this point. I hope that TCI at least gets some quality mares over in Korea.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Izvestia » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:31 pm

I knew that would happen!!!
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Re: Stallion News

Postby sweettalk » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:44 pm

why are we so quick to give up on stallions?
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Northport » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:50 pm

sweettalk wrote:why are we so quick to give up on stallions?


Idk if it is "we" or more specifically WinStar, Spendthrift, and *sometimes* Coolmore. WinStar seems to be the worst, but just don't like their business model in general. Stay tuned for Fed Biz, Daredevil, and Overanalyze to be sold by the end of 2019.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:20 am

Were Tiz Wonderful and Colonel John also Winstar stallions? If so, between those two and Take Charge Indy, they definitely make my Stallion Shuffle S#itlist. :evil:
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Treve » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:41 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Were Tiz Wonderful and Colonel John also Winstar stallions? If so, between those two and Take Charge Indy, they definitely make my Stallion Shuffle S#itlist. :evil:


Tiz Wonderful was B. Wayne Hughes and Stonestreet Stables
Colonel John was WinStar

I believe in the case of Take Charge Indy the situation was slightly different - whilst he was not super well received here, the KRA approached WinStar rather than the other way around. And apparently made an offer that was "too good to pass up".

I do think the "we" wasn't far off considering, if breeders and buyers had been a little more patient, WinStar might not have felt pressured to "owe it to their shareholders" to take such an offer.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby sweettalk » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:41 am

i wasnt gonna try to nitpick and specifically list the farms that seem to be a barn of revolving doors. "we" was a lot shorter. ;)
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