Stallion News

Re: Stallion News

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Wed May 10, 2017 2:01 pm

I'd like to compliment Coolmore's stallion managers; Galileo has become a great sire, but I don't think he could have achieved such success if the people arranging his books hadn't chosen the right mares, with the best crosses, for him.
IMHO, it's not an easy task to find the perfect mares for a stallion. Ken Ramsey has done it; he really worked hard (and spent the money) to find what he felt were the best crosses for his Kitten's Joy.
On the other hand, it appears that the Japanese breeders who acquired Empire Maker never quite found the right formula for him. Hopefully, now that he's back in Kentucky, he'll do better. Perhaps Pioneerof the Nile and Bodemeister will provide meaningful clues about the best crosses for him?
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Insane Crazy » Wed May 10, 2017 8:35 pm

Treve wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:2 more Classic winners for Galileo, in 2 days.

Churchill took the 2000 Guineas yesterday and now Winter took the fillies version just this morning.

No idea why anyone even runs up against Coolmore and their Galileos in the Classics :?


To be fair last year it wasn't a Galileo who won the Guineas (though Galileo was the damsire... :lol: )
I suppose the question should be 'which Galileo will win' if there are more than one in the field...

Are we gonna come up with a "the other Galileo" angle, ala "the other Baffert"? ;)
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Northport » Wed May 10, 2017 9:47 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I'd like to compliment Coolmore's stallion managers; Galileo has become a great sire, but I don't think he could have achieved such success if the people arranging his books hadn't chosen the right mares, with the best crosses, for him.
IMHO, it's not an easy task to find the perfect mares for a stallion. Ken Ramsey has done it; he really worked hard (and spent the money) to find what he felt were the best crosses for his Kitten's Joy.
On the other hand, it appears that the Japanese breeders who acquired Empire Maker never quite found the right formula for him. Hopefully, now that he's back in Kentucky, he'll do better. Perhaps Pioneerof the Nile and Bodemeister will provide meaningful clues about the best crosses for him?


Coolmore definitely has nailed down what works with Galileo - though he does well with most mares, he does outstanding with mares who won over 5f.

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/b ... off/284751


It's worth mentioning that all of Galileo's G1 winners last year were trained by Aidan O'Brien and/or bred by Coolmore - they know what works and they're sticking to it.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Treve » Thu May 11, 2017 1:03 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I'd like to compliment Coolmore's stallion managers; Galileo has become a great sire, but I don't think he could have achieved such success if the people arranging his books hadn't chosen the right mares, with the best crosses, for him.
IMHO, it's not an easy task to find the perfect mares for a stallion. Ken Ramsey has done it; he really worked hard (and spent the money) to find what he felt were the best crosses for his Kitten's Joy.
On the other hand, it appears that the Japaneses breeders who acquired Empire Maker never quite found the right formula for him. Hopefully, now that he's back in Kentucky, he'll do better. Perhaps Pioneerof the Nile and Bodemeister will provide meaningful clues about the best crosses for him?


Well, Bodemeister, American Pharoah and Classic Empire are all out of Storm Cat/line mares if that's any indication. There's also Always Dreaming and Midnight Storm who've got different nicks entirely though. Royal Delta was out of an AP Indy mare (and PotN's graded stakes winning daughter Dark Nile was out of a Bernardini mare.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Sparrow Castle » Wed May 17, 2017 5:55 pm

I posted an article in the In memoriam 2017 thread, but this seems more appropriate here.

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It is with an extremely heavy heart that I have to report the passing of my brother, my friend and my hero Unusual Heat today at 27 . RIP
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Sparrow Castle » Wed May 17, 2017 6:12 pm

From the Washington Post:

Triple Crown winner American Pharoah is a stud and a gentleman
By Chuck Culpepper May 17 at 3:34 PM
VERSAILLES, Ky. — The slatted door opens, and an unprepared jaw drops. Even for eyes that have seen a thousand thoroughbreds while unable to discern the extremely beautiful from the even more extremely beautiful, the sight of American Pharoah in the back corner of his stall at 4:30 p.m. on a Tuesday can look as stunning as all Mykonos.

Oddly, maybe even nuttily, he seems to realize he is in the process of being admired. If he doesn’t quite blink his eyes bashfully, he does resonate that effect. He manages to convey the feeling — possibly errant; we’ll never know — that he’s both aware he’s majestic and a trifle surprised at the fact he’s majestic.

He became the first Triple Crown winner in 37 years in 2015, tacked on the 2015 Breeders’ Cup Classic at nearby Keeneland, posted a first-year stud fertility rate of 90 percent and, after starting his stud life in February 2016, should have somewhere around 150 foals prancing the Earth by the end of May. Maybe it’s hard to stand in a fine stone barn in the drop-dead Kentucky-pretty of Ashford Stud and fend off conceit.

He’s good at the fending, too.

“He’s probably the quietest stallion that I’ve been around in 40 years dealing with stallions,” said Richard Barry, the Ireland-bred stallion manager at Ashford, which the breeding giant Coolmore of County Tipperary, Ireland, has owned since 1984. “He’s a pure gentleman.”

“He is different, temperament-wise,” said Scott Calder, the New Zealand-bred sales and marketing manager for Coolmore. “He is quite amazing, really, just how laid-back he is and how good he is with people. You wish every horse was this easy, as he is. I think that was part of why he was able to do what he did. Obviously, he has talent, but especially the Triple Crown, you’ve got the crowds and the travel, and if you put too much energy out on the training track in the morning, that’s going to catch up with you, too. So you’d have to think that was part of what got him through it, I’m sure.”

“Oh my goodness,” said Anne Sabatino Hardy, whose three-year-old organization, Horse Country, books and conducts tours for 36 farms and other outlets. “In the few times I’ve gotten to meet him, he has a presence about him. He was such an incredible athlete. And I think that there’s something about him, deep down, where he senses his responsibility as an ambassador to the sport. He just understands, in a way that he relates to people and relates to all the things in his sport. He just seems to take to everything with such ease.”

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/triple-crown-winner-american-pharoah-is-a-stud-and-a-gentleman/2017/05/17/02bebe14-3b2a-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.0d969d4fb825
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Starine » Wed May 17, 2017 8:37 pm

I was very sorry to read about Unusual Heat's passing. He was such a neat horse -- I really appreciated his good looks and uncommon pedigree. And of course his ability to get all kinds of runners -- turf horses, dirt horses, synthetic runners, routers, milers, sprinters, etc.

Despite this, I never really felt he got the quality of mares he truly deserved. I think he could have been more than a regional sire were he given the chance. I hope his good son Acclamation can carry on the line.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby Diver52 » Wed May 17, 2017 9:19 pm

I always enjoyed seeing those bays with chrome that Unusual Heat seemed to throw. He'll be missed.
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Re: Stallion News

Postby bare it all » Thu May 18, 2017 11:28 am

Diver52 wrote:I always enjoyed seeing those bays with chrome that Unusual Heat seemed to throw. He'll be missed.


Agreed. Quite a legacy he is leaving. How's he done as a bm sire thus far? I imagine he's got enough mares producing at this point?
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Re: Stallion News

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Thu May 18, 2017 2:25 pm

We may find out how UH does as a broodmare sire through his daughters in Japan. IIRC, they bought a bunch of his daughters when they went through the ring.
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