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Treve
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:37 am

sweettalk wrote:am i the only one who thinks war front is a little over priced?
before anyone gets angry, i'm happy to learn more abt his stats relative to other stallions that stand/have stood in his price range, to get a better idea of if he is, actually, over priced. :oops:
Well, in 2017 he had the same number of G1 winners as Tapit did in 2016. In 2016 he was the #1 North American sire by SW (12%). Most importantly his yearlings sell like hot cakes, even his weanlings fetch high prices. His progeny performs overseas in a manner that keep the foreign buyers coming back with deep pockets, which motivates American breeders to pay said fee. At least in Europe his Winners-Runners in Euro stakes is 41% from basically the moment he entered stud to present day. And his worldwide G1 is 27%. Compare that to Sea the Stars who is 21% worldwide G1 and 35% Euro stakes. Frankel is currently at 6% for Worldwide G1s and and 43% for Euro stakes. Dubawi has a 45% Euro Stakes R-W rate and a 25% Worldwide G1 rate. And Galileo has a 25% Worldwide G1 rate with a 40% Euro Stakes rate. (Of course with Galileo his stats are made all the more impressive by the sheer number of runners he has). In fact when compared to the current top 10 Stallion rankings in Europe, of those I didn't name, only 2 had a Worldwide G1 rate over over 14%, and both were below 20%. I think all of those I didn't name had a euro stakes R-W under 35%.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:10 pm

Mastery to stand for $25k next season.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -at-25-000

25k feels like pushing it... but he must have gotten a lot of interest.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:21 pm

He has smaller foal crops than most of the other top flight stallions. Just comparing statistics from this year's general sire list, here are some stats:

War Front - 177 runners. 82 winners (46%), 18 black type stakes winner (10%), 10 graded stakes winners (6%), 5 G1 winners (3%). $250,000 stud fee.

Tapit - 258 runners. 122 winners (47%), 17 black type stakes winners (7%), 10 graded stakes winners (4%), 3 G1 winners (1%). $300,000 stud fee.

Medaglia d'Oro - 183 runners. 78 winners (43%), 13 black type stakes winners (7%), 8 graded stakes winners (4%), 5 G1 winners (3%). $150,000 stud fee.

Curlin - 180 runners. 98 winners (54%), 13 black type stakes winners (7%), 7 graded stakes winners (4%), 1 G1 winner. $150,000 stud fee.

Kitten's Joy - 317 runners. 151 winners (48%), 15 black type stakes winners (5%), 11 graded stakes winners (3%), 3 G1 winners (1%). $100,000 stud fee.

Speightstown - 237 runners. 129 winners (54%), 12 black type stakes winners (5%), 3 graded stakes winners (1%), no G1 winners. $100,00 stud fee.

Scat Daddy - 266 runners. 127 winners (48%), 23 black type stakes winners (9%), 13 graded stakes winners (5%), 4 G1 winners (2%). Died in 2015.
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Treve
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:38 pm

^ true his very limited book helps with his stats and increases demand by limiting supply. All factors that contribute to his fee.
As with anything but especially with thoroughbreds, the price is right if someone's willing to pay for it.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:32 pm

Mastery at $25K is a little rich for my blood, especially considering you could get Candy Ride himself for $60K this year. I think if I was looking at Mastery, I'd be looking at Unified for $10K. I like Dixie Union on the dam side maybe more than Old Trieste. And does Gun Runner retire after BC this year or will they race him at 5? How much would he command?
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:39 pm

bare it all wrote:Mastery at $25K is a little rich for my blood, especially considering you could get Candy Ride himself for $60K this year. I think if I was looking at Mastery, I'd be looking at Unified for $10K. I like Dixie Union on the dam side maybe more than Old Trieste. And does Gun Runner retire after BC this year or will they race him at 5? How much would he command?
I feel similarly. Last I heard about Gun Runner comments were suggesting he could race on for another campaign. I would assume if he does well in the BCC he'd go to the PWC too and if they decide to keep him in training might attempt the DWC.
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:22 am

Gun Runner has s fantastic female family, and his race record speaks for itself. I'd say $50,000 at least for him.
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:33 am

Izvestia wrote:Gun Runner has s fantastic female family, and his race record speaks for itself. I'd say $50,000 at least for him.
He also has unlike the other Candy Rides, and Candy Ride himself, the durability factor. If he keeps winning the big ones until his retirement then I think he could easily ask for 60k.
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:52 pm

If Candy Ride's fee goes up from $60k (which it has to, right?) then I could see Gun Runner going for $50k. I don't know if I can see him being much higher than that.
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:38 pm

Chrome has been big news in South America ever since the announcement that he would stand the southern hemisphere season in Chile. He's been featured on TV and in numerous print articles. Here's a recent example:

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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:10 pm

Bird Song will stand at Gainesway for $5,000.
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:06 pm

Wings of Eagles will stand at Haras de Montaigu (his birthplace) in partnership with Coolmore for €12,000.
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 am

Sparrow Castle wrote:
Retrospectiv wrote:The Factor to Japan for 2018:


https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... n-for-2018
Interesting, one-year lease, sounds kind of unusual. They won't know much by then. He's quite the traveling boy.
That's wonderful news. :D
One-year-lease is unusual.
But he is going to be the first War Front son to stand at stud in Japan.
Personally I would love to see more War Front's who could do well on either surface here.
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Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:54 pm

Madefromlucky retired to Northview Stallion Station
Madefromlucky, a Grade 2 winner, has been retired from racing and will enter stud at Northview Stallion Station in Chesapeake City, Md., for the 2018 breeding season.

A fee will be announced for the 5-year-old son of Lookin At Lucky at a later time. Northview Stallion Station is currently in the process of syndicating the horse.

“Madefromlucky has a combination of racing ability and pedigree that we just could not pass up,” said Northview president Richard Golden.

Madefromlucky finished his on-track career with six wins in 24 starts for earnings of $1,351,500. He won the Grade 2 West Virginia Derby and Peter Pan Stakes, as well as the Grade 3 Greenwood Cup Stakes, with placings in three additional graded stakes. He was owned by Cheyenne Stable and Mac Nichol and trained by Todd Pletcher.

Bred in Kentucky by RMF Thoroughbreds, Madefromlucky is out of the unraced Pulpit mare Home From Oz, a full sister to perennial leading sire Tapit, who is the dam of four winners from five runners. He is a half-brother to Japanese stakes-placed A Shin Gold.

Champions Rubiano and Summer Bird are in the horse’s extended family, as well as successful sire Glitterman.

Madefromlucky has already arrived at Northview and is available for inspection.
http://www.drf.com/news/madefromlucky-r ... on-station
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Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:25 pm

Zarkava's son Zarak has been retired.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... ired-stud/

He may not have reached his dam's heights of success, but his pedigree should make him a desirable stallion.
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:32 pm

As I posted over in Retirements;
Is that hoof so bad that they didn't think he could race at four, no matter how much time off he's given? Or was Coolmore contracted to stand him in 2018, and those plans weren't about to change?
I think Coolmore has stood enough two-year-old champs to field a baseball team of juvys. Let's see...Hansen, Lookin at Lucky, Uncle Mo, Shanghai Bobby, American Pharoah, Classic Empire, plus Air Force Blue and Vancouver. Did I forget someone?
They've built their American business on all precocious, all the time. :P :lol:
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:34 pm

Maclean's Music will stand for $25k in 2018. I know he got a Preakness winner, but it still seems like a lot for him.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... eans-music
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:03 pm

I mean if there's not enough time for the BCC, why not look at other end of year G1s? Why not look at the Pegasus World Cup especially since we know Arrogate is heading off after the BCC. And even from Coolmore's perspective, why? They already have a hot PotN son in the shed, why not wait it out another year and increase CE's value? What if SPD turns out to be uh... less talented than Amer Cleo? Very disappointed but not all that shocked.
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:07 pm

Well, I mean Uncle Mo has been a nice stallion for them. So was Scat Daddy before he died. I think Bobby will be a nice one, too.

With the Coolmore connect aside, I think Classic Empire had also decided he wasn’t going to do this job anymore.
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