2014 new sires

2014 new sires

Postby bare it all » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:54 pm

The discussion re: New Years Day and others made me want to do a little spin off thread. Here are some of the first year sires and their fee. Thoughts on them? Who is overpriced and who is a steal? This is just a smattering of them. Add to the conversation anyone you might be excited about.

Animal Kingdom $35,000
Archwarrior $3k (FL)
Awesome Patriot (Awesome Again x Tizamazing) $3,500
Bind (Pulpit x Check) $1,500(LA)
Brethren $6000 bro to Derby winner(FL)
Bridgetown $4500 turf sprinter (NY)
Corfu $3500 (FL)
Data Link $7500
Emcee $7500 (NY)
Flashpoint $2500 (LA)
Flat Out $10k
Fort Larned $15k
Freedom Child $3500 (MD)
Graydar $15k
Hoorayforhollywood $2000 (CA)
I Want Revenge $10k
Jimmy Creed $12,500
Justin Phillip $12,500
Keep Up (distorted humor x keeper hill) $4000
Kettle Corn (OH) $3000
Kibbutznik $7500
Liaison $10k
Morning Line $10k
New Years Day $12,500
Orb $25k
Over analyze $10k
Oxbow $20k
Paynter $25k
Point of Entry $25k
Power Broker $10k
Prospective $5000 (FL)
Raison dEtat $15k
Shanghai Bobby $20k
Smiling Tiger $5000 (CA)
Soldat $5000 (FL)
Swagger Jack $7500
Take Charge Indy $20k
The Names Bond $3500 (AL)
Treasure Beach $10k (FL)
Trinniberg $7500 (NY)
Twinspired $1500 (OH)
Ultimate Eagle $3500 (CA)
Violence $15k
World Renowned $2500 (CA) AP Indy x Spended Blended
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby Northport » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:38 pm

in my opinion....

Overpriced
Archwarrior (is it possible to pay breeders to go to a stallion??)
Brethren
New Year's Day
Paynter
Raison dEtat - I honestly think whoever sets the fees at Calumet just used the Wheel of Fortune
Shanghai Bobby
Violence

Good value
Flat Out
Fort Larned
Point of Entry
Treasure Beach
Trinniberg
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby Izvestia » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:41 pm

I'll stick to the positives and the good deals (and stay away from negatives, we have enough of that):

Animal Kingdom $35,000 - Great physical, raced successfully on all 3 surfaces, talented, speed and stamina. What's not to like? If all else fails, he'll be a great addition Down Under.

Data Link $7500 - like this horse a lot. Hoping he gets some good mares.

Flat Out $10k - Not too many like him these days. He was a helluva racehorse, stayed in training a long time. Good looking. I really hope he is successful.

Fort Larned $15k - Carried his speed a long way. I think Adena is a great fit for him and I like the price. I expect him to be a good sire.

Justin Phillip $12,500 - I don't see a negative about this horse. Great physical, fast, sound, and his sire is HOT.

Point of Entry $25k - Not sure what to make of him. Think he could be a fantastic sire, or be a bust. We never got to see the best of him (IMO), he was SO good, that injury last year was devastating. Adena Springs really gives their stallions a chance.

I also really like Bridgetown at $4500, Freedom Child at $3500 and Smiling Tiger at $5000.
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby tres borrachos » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:12 pm

I think Justin Phillip, Kettle Corn and Trinneberg are the best bangs for the buck on that list.

With all due respect to Shanghai Bobby, that price seems high.

I loved Corfu and he's cheap at that price but I wish he had run longer to see what he was actually made of.
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby BlindLucky » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:19 pm

I had to look up Kibbutznik to see what $7500 would get you. He retired with 5 starts, still a maiden, in a $25k claimer at Timonium. By El Prado out of a Friendly Lover mare (had to look him up, too). Just not sure who is going to spend $7500 for that in KY, but maybe I'm missing something?
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby MTO » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:05 pm

SOLDAT seems to be a value at $5000

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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby Izvestia » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:07 pm

BlindLucky wrote:I had to look up Kibbutznik to see what $7500 would get you. He retired with 5 starts, still a maiden, in a $25k claimer at Timonium. By El Prado out of a Friendly Lover mare (had to look him up, too). Just not sure who is going to spend $7500 for that in KY, but maybe I'm missing something?


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Perhaps because he is by sire of sires El Prado, they can justify it? Friendly Lover was at Adena for awhile, nice outcross pedigree, and sound as a dollar. Didn't amount to much as a stallion. I worked with one of his babies and she was NUTSO.

Another horse I think might be a good sire (at least regionally) is Flashpoint.
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby ChiLex » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:31 pm

bare it all wrote:Keep Up (distorted humor x keeper hill) $4000


This guy is actually by Unbridled's Song.

On another note, I was pretty impressed with Violence when I went to go see him. It sounds like they've had no issues getting him mares either. Looking for that El Prado line to continue with this one.
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby frankel13 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:39 pm

For me Taylor Made have two very exciting and well priced sires in Graydar and Oxbow.

One horse not on the list who I think will be popular is The Lumber Guy at only $5000.
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Re: 2014 new sires

Postby carole » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:44 pm

Flat Out and Fort Larned stand out to me as value!

I think Paynter is the one that stands out to me as over priced though. Yes he was nice, but not worth $25k, $10-15k at most I would say.
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