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Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:30 am
by Miesque1973
I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this, but this year Mexico had two Triple Crown winners - Kukulkan(MEX) (Derby Mexicano, Gran Premio Nacional & Stakes Jockey Mexicano) & Kutzamala(MEX) (Clasico Rubi, Clasico Esmeralda & Clasico Diamante). To be honest, I only stumbled across the information while trying to update my Triple Crown race winners of the world spreadsheets...

If Fabulous Las Vegas(FR) remains consistent, he could be another Triple Crown winner for Poland. Bush Brave(IRE) swept that country's series last year.

~Miesque

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:44 pm
by Treve
Miesque I thought of you not long ago after the running of the Hungarian Derby, as the winner a filly named Esti Fény became the first winner for the Babolna National Stud farm (they call their Thoroughbred breeding operation Diopuszta to distinguish it from the purebred arab and shagya arabian portion) in 24 years which is pretty significant as the sole remaining national TB stud farm in the country they play an important role in supporting small local breeders and all.
She is by Pigeon Catcher out of EJTIHAAD
http://babolnamenes.hu/en/the-stud/hist ... bred-stud/
https://www.pedigreequery.com/esti+feny

I thought you might be interested for your Classics from around the world pedigree project!

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:29 am
by Miesque1973
Treve wrote:Miesque I thought of you not long ago after the running of the Hungarian Derby, as the winner a filly named Esti Fény became the first winner for the Babolna National Stud farm (they call their Thoroughbred breeding operation Diopuszta to distinguish it from the purebred arab and shagya arabian portion) in 24 years which is pretty significant as the sole remaining national TB stud farm in the country they play an important role in supporting small local breeders and all.
She is by Pigeon Catcher out of EJTIHAAD
http://babolnamenes.hu/en/the-stud/hist ... bred-stud/
https://www.pedigreequery.com/esti+feny

I thought you might be interested for your Classics from around the world pedigree project!

I had a hard time hunting her down, using the Hungarian Jockey Club site. Not speaking Hungarian isn't helpful, and frankly, neither is Google Translate when looking up horse-related terms.

I always have trouble hunting down current classic winners. Language barriers are the main problem, but I usually finally parse it out.

There are two fairly useful sites that I use to keep up (I only just found the first one this past Saturday, and bless their hearts, that had the winner of the Magyar Derby!)

http://worldwidehorseracing.net/results ... june-2018/ (you can navigate to prior months, but I'm not sure yet how far back the site goes, but either way it's useful at keeping current)
and
http://futeki.g.dgdg.jp/ (Japanese, but )

~Miesque

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:37 am
by tachyon
Miesque1973 wrote:There are two fairly useful sites that I use to keep up (I only just found the first one this past Saturday, and bless their hearts, that had the winner of the Magyar Derby!)

http://worldwidehorseracing.net/results ... june-2018/ (you can navigate to prior months, but I'm not sure yet how far back the site goes, but either way it's useful at keeping current)
and
http://futeki.g.dgdg.jp/ (Japanese, but )

~Miesque
Awwww.... thanks for sharing!! :D

''Futeki'' was a great follower of the international racings.
And I had been visiting his blog (Japanese) until he stopped updating it at the end of 2014.

http://futeki.moe-nifty.com/blog/ (closed)

I had no idea he kept posting the international race results on the other link you posted above.

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:14 am
by Miesque1973
Good grief, I posted that after I had taken my evening meds, so apparently my brain went to sleep mid-sentence. Now I don't remember what I was going to say after "but... "

The 'Dams of Classic Winners' project also continues, unabated. I'm in the process of parsing out mares by country. Lots have to go into a list of 'International' mares, since so many have produced foals that won classics in separate countries (think My Charmer, Maggie B.B., Majideh, etc.). Then it's North America (US, Canada, Mexico), South America, Caribbean, Asia, Africa, Antipodes, the Middle East, and Europe. I put English & Irish classic-winner producing mares together, since there's so much channel-crossing, and Scandinavian mares had to be put in one grouping, too, since there are so many mares that produced multiple winners in Denmark, Norway & Sweden. Alas, Belgium's Jockey (Jokey is a better term, IMO) Club doesn't care about the sport's history, and the Netherlands no longer has a Triple Crown series or even really any Thoroughbred racing at all, as far as I can tell. Spain still does... sometimes., but it's a challenge to keep up. Scandinavia's & Switzerland's Triple Crown race winners are actually always the most interesting to search for, year by year. Portugal doesn't have horse racing (does it?). Kenya's record keeping is laughable at best (even RECENT Kenya-bred horses' pedigrees are untraceable, but I have the winners & their sires & dams, by cracky!). I hear Morocco has racing, but I've not a clue of any Triple Crown series. By the end of each year, I usually have my Excel spreadsheets updated.

The biggest problem I have is figuring out what races comprise Triple Crown series' in South America & South Africa. They seem terribly jumbled up and I've yet to figure out which races are correctly considered 'classic' races and which are just local/regional classics. I just keep searching through Derbys, Premio Jockey Clubs and Polla de Potrancas & Polla de Potrillos ("What do chickens have to do with any of this?!") and Gran Premio Nacionals and being amused and fascinated by it all.

~Miesque

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:39 am
by BaroqueAgain1
Miesque, you are doing some tremendous research. I wonder if the Jockey Club, Equibase or other breed-specific information-gatherers, would be interested in all that info? Maybe some site like Paulick Report or Bloodhorse would find what you've gathered a good basis for a running blog on international bloodlines?
Maybe this is a labor of love for you...but I can't help but wish you could get some reward for all that labor. ;)

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:09 am
by Diver52
I'm also finding this fascinating--keep it up and thank you.

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:52 am
by Flanders
Miesque1973 wrote:("What do chickens have to do with any of this?!")
Polla = Lottery in Latin America only. So it might not translate right with google translate or most translation programs. I believe its more like a regional use of the word.

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:26 pm
by Miss Woodford
Miesque1973 wrote:Portugal doesn't have horse racing (does it?).
It does! They have races for TBs, Arabians and trotters. They had 14 days of racing last year and will have 19 this year. I don't think there's much history as the racing governing body was established in 1997 and racing with betting was only legalized a few years ago.
http://www.ligacavaloscorrida.pt/ The website is a bit sparse but there is contact info.
And a blog http://www.jornalogalope.com/
They don't have a Triple Crown as far as I can tell though.

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:45 pm
by Miesque1973
Flanders wrote:
Miesque1973 wrote:("What do chickens have to do with any of this?!")
Polla = Lottery in Latin America only. So it might not translate right with google translate or most translation programs. I believe its more like a regional use of the word.
Right. Of course, being in Texas, when I see the word 'pollo' I think of chicken enchiladas, even after all these years. :D

I wonder if Portugal will get in on the Triple Crown bandwagon some day. It would be fun to try & keep up with it! I know Greece has or had a Derby, but I've not a clue if there's a Triple Crown series (there's a list of Greek Derby winners out there somewhere, but IT'S IN GREEK, so it's all Greek to me <rimshot>. Cyprus does... or did. I don't know any more. Russia... don't get me started on Russia. Yugoslavia and the former thereof and Eastern Europe take a good bit of time and dedication to slog through every year. The Caribbean classics are a hoot, with such a relatively small pool of broodmares that dual classic producers are not at all uncommon. Oy vey.

Sometimes I wonder if I should contact somebody at Blood-Horse and see if they'd be interested in some kind of collaboration on the two projects ("Triple Crown Winners of the World" and "Dams of Two or More Classic Winners Around the World'). Folks do sometimes tell me I should try & make something off of it somehow. So far, it remains a labor of love that no one in my family or among my friends quite understands.

By the way, has anyone ever heard of a jockey who rode in the New York circuit, possibly in the 1930's through maybe the 1950's named Juan 'Johnny' Alvarado? He is the grandfather of one of the supervisors where I work. I asked him to see if his Grandpa ever rode in any major races or sat on any good runners. I searched around NYRA but didn't find anything. On that note, I actually helped set up a fundraiser that gave over $200 to the Grayson-Jockey Club Equine Research Foundation ("Peppermints for Ponies", we called it) by getting folks to donate money to the foundation through their website and through purchases of some peppermints and tiny pewter horse charms. In November I'm going to try & get another fund-raiser going for Old Friends.

~Miesque

Re: Mexican Triple Crown 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:55 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
I hope you do try getting Bloodhorse interested, but I would also try reaching out to Ray Paulick of Paulick Report. His site seems to cover a wider range of subjects and use contributors that aren't on its payroll.