How did NYRA do at Belmont this year?

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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:10 pm

Yeah, I didn't feel unsafe at all but it's hard not to think about it, and ending the day being slowly crushed and separated from my group by a bunch of drunk bros was really unpleasant. Hate to leave the track feeling like that when so much of the rest of the day was fantastic.

I don't know if my husband will go back because it was a loooong day even for us hardcore fans (left at 7am, got home around 1:30am), but I noted how many people in the (largely non-racing) crowd were genuinely excited for the Belmont and thrilled by the result. I previously wondered if having two Triple Crowns in fairly quick succession would dull the crowd a little, and it wasn't quite the frenzy that 2015 was (how could it have been?), but I came away convinced that these TC attempts are good for racing as a whole. Lots of people talking about how excited they were that they got to witness it, and I suspect they'll go home and tell their friends to attend the next one.

Another note: saw a lot of people my age and younger using the betting machines instead of tellers. Not surprising at all and hopefully it's something that has been noted by the track.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:17 pm

I don't know if it's easier for you, but you could always take the ferry out of CT and stay on the North Shore of of Long Island for the weekend. There is a port at Port Jeff and the Eastern North Fork is really lovely this time of year (wineries, beaches, extremely charming and quaint New-England style towns) that would probably make your commute a lot better. It would be a longer ride into Belmont but going East after this event is a lot easier.

Stony Brook University is right there. Just expense it. :twisted:
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:18 pm

Tessablue wrote: Another note: saw a lot of people my age and younger using the betting machines instead of tellers. Not surprising at all and hopefully it's something that has been noted by the track.
The union probably has a pretty strong word for how many self serve terminals are allowed.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:25 pm

Somnambulist wrote:I don't know if it's easier for you, but you could always take the ferry out of CT and stay on the North Shore of of Long Island for the weekend. There is a port at Port Jeff and the Eastern North Fork is really lovely this time of year (wineries, beaches, extremely charming and quaint New-England style towns) that would probably make your commute a lot better.

Stony Brook University is right there. Just expense it. :twisted:
That does sound really nice! We haven't done it in a single day since 2003, it just happened this year because we couldn't find a reliable dogsitter for Friday night. But typically we stay in Queens and it's still pretty brutal, especially going home afterwards as the post time for the race keeps creeping later and later. Will definitely look into it for next year. Thanks!

Forgot to add this earlier, but speaking of things that get people excited about the sport... Gronkowski running second (in improbable and exciting fashion, too) was a pretty big boon. Have seen a lot of people talking about it online today, and there was plenty of talk at Suffolk today, though that isn't exactly surprising ;)
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:29 pm

Tessablue wrote: Forgot to add this earlier, but speaking of things that get people excited about the sport... Gronkowski running second (in improbable and exciting fashion, too) was a pretty big boon. Have seen a lot of people talking about it online today, and there was plenty of talk at Suffolk today, though that isn't exactly surprising ;)
Thank God for Justify, not sure how American racing would've explained a win by him, how weak was that crop?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:59 pm

stark wrote:
Tessablue wrote: Another note: saw a lot of people my age and younger using the betting machines instead of tellers. Not surprising at all and hopefully it's something that has been noted by the track.
The union probably has a pretty strong word for how many self serve terminals are allowed.
Are machines that take bills allowed at Belmont, or is it the same situation as at Saratoga, where the union won't allow the machines to take anything but vouchers and winning tickets, meaning at least one transaction -- and line to stand in -- more than the customer would normally make? Is aggravating customers a necessary evil to be tolerated in the name of saving jobs, even in an industry known for DMV-level customer service as it is?
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:02 pm

stark wrote:
Tessablue wrote: Forgot to add this earlier, but speaking of things that get people excited about the sport... Gronkowski running second (in improbable and exciting fashion, too) was a pretty big boon. Have seen a lot of people talking about it online today, and there was plenty of talk at Suffolk today, though that isn't exactly surprising ;)
Thank God for Justify, not sure how American racing would've explained a win by him, how weak was that crop?
Those horses who handed Gronk his butt at Newbury and Newmarket are snickering in their stalls right now. I wonder if the owners of the horses he beat at Newcastle and Kempton are now dreaming of dirt glory in America!
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:42 pm

Distance and dirt, two things he had never dealt with, obviously moved up Gronkowski. Surprising? Yes, but hardly impossible. It's not as though Chad Brown wasn't effusive in his praise for how he was working.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:44 pm

thinair wrote:It's not as though Chad Brown wasn't effusive in his praise for how he was working.
As was every other trainer with regards to their horse before the race.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:57 pm

Yeah I don't understand the shade; Gronkowski was genuinely good yesterday. It wasn't as big a surprise as it would have been at the start of the day because the horse he's been handily outworking ran a pretty good second on the undercard and he looked just incredible in the post parade. Looking forward to seeing where Brown sends him next, and I kind of wonder how he would have liked that hot pace in the Derby.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:59 pm

California football has nothing going for it. All the sunshine in that state has people bitter rather than happier. I guess we make a hardier sort on this coast.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:25 pm

Tessablue wrote:Looking forward to seeing where Brown sends him next,

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Chad Brown told @TheNYRA he is aiming our #Gronkowski at the Travers after his big run for 2nd in @BelmontStakes. "I'm very proud of the way the horse ran. He ran an incredible race from where he was to make up that much ground," Brown said
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:27 pm

stark wrote:
thinair wrote:It's not as though Chad Brown wasn't effusive in his praise for how he was working.
As was every other trainer with regards to their horse before the race.
Lukas was actually lukewarm about Bravazo and wasn't all that confident. It wasn't that the horse wasn't training well he looked good in his works but he had a lot of "buts" in the interview I heard (though it was less about Bravazo and more about the other horses). Didn't hear Todd about Vino or NI, it seems handicappers were more bullish about his horses than he was. I feel like Mott was really the only other one strongly and vehemently touting his colt. Brown was like "he's working well I've been super pleased with him but obviously we won't know anything until he runs *shrug* " so while he was effusive I don't think he originally expected him to do that well even because of the unknown factor.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:33 pm

Somnambulist wrote:California football has nothing going for it.
Silly me, I forgot about the Jets and the Giants.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:44 am

stark wrote:
Somnambulist wrote:California football has nothing going for it.
Silly me, I forgot about the Jets and the Giants.
Rutgers, Syracuse, BC ... real trifecta of Eastern football winners there, too.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:32 am

Somnambulist wrote:The can't figure a better parking situation unless they figure out New York traffic.. which is probably out of anyone's pay grade. Hemsptead Turnpike is a horror show every day of the week and so is the Cross Island. They encourage people to stick around for later races and schedule the concerts. The $40 parking is a deterrent and they schedule 3x as many trains going to/from Belmont on the day. I'm not sure what else they can really do with this honestly outside of allow less people. Maybe in the future they could offer a small voucher for a ride share to prevent people who live in the immediate area from driving.

When Belmont was built, like everything else on Long Island, it was not built expecting the amount of people who now live here.

The only thing in my opinion that they really need to figure out is the drunk person situation. We had a nice rapport going with a bartender in backyard at a Woodford Reserve truck so we went back a few times and it was awful. By 11:30 people were too drunk to walk. That's not NYRA's problem per se... people will get wasted anywhere. I'm remembering stepping over drunk people at Del Mar at the Pac Classic once. I just wonder if they could stick them somewhere. I felt like I was at Boardy Barn.

I have no idea what the event insurance on this event must have cost.

I think they're aware of all of this though, honestly. They'll be renovating it when the Islanders stadium goes up.
A Boardy Barn reference is very 'Long Island' of you. Well done.

What's tough is the infrastructure investment to make it manageable for one event that is more random than predictable doesn't make sense. The investment in the new arena is going to be very Arena oriented, but may help from the LIRR perspective a little to big day events. Otherwise, Hempstead and Jericho Turnpike aren't going to be different anytime soon, and the Cross Island will be a disaster until the day each and every one of us are long gone.

Maybe the answer is to do shuttle bus service from off site parking areas like they do for the US Open at Bethpage by using parking at Aqueduct or JFK? For Bethpage they used Jones Beach and I found it efficiently successful in my own experience, but that's too far away for Belmont.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:56 am

If there was no event at the Coliseum that would be a great shuttle, although you are still going to deal with Hempstead Turnpike so maybe people wouldn't be happy. I don't think they will ever make anyone happy with it mostly because it's impossible to control NY traffic.

I'm sure all the people in town for Pride didn't make traffic any better.
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:13 pm

One thing I really like about Belmont after the Belmont race is over is the nice sunsets. There was a nice one Saturday, a spectacular one after the last race the last time they ran the Breeders Cup there. People sitting around us were very nice, like most horse racing fans. The usher did an excellent job.

Went Friday and Saturday, there was no sound through the first two races. Speaking of listening to the fine hosts of Talking Horses, they were inaudible on Friday inside the facility and were still difficult to hear on Saturday, because it seems in the interior of Belmont that the speakers, the benches, and the TVs are not in optimal places.

Weather was beautiful Saturday, although it was stuffy on the 2nd floor grandstand, cooler outside.

Did not have him but was happy to see Edgar Prado win the Manhattan, must have felt great to him.

After going to the Belmont since 2000, we missed American Pharoah because of a family graduation, and although I was hoping to see Justify win and it was briefly exciting, I am sure it did not match that experience and the glow didn't last as long, but still it was a tremendous accomplishment for a horse to do what he did in a short span of time. We got a good look at him in the paddock and he couldn't have looked more relaxed than he did.

I expected to see more Gronkowski attire in the crowd, but I did not see anyone else wearing anything. I had a Gronkowski t-shirt under a sports jacket. Met up with a friend who is an Eagle season ticket holder who could not believe I did not put anything on the horse, I've been a NE seasonticket holder since the late 70's. I bet on Noble Indy figuring he would track Justify, and Blended Citizen since he was one of four horses that would hit the pick-6, although he was probably on some syndicate's C ticket, plus he made a positive rather than negative opinion on Maggie.

I suppose the NYRA has to cater to the high-rollers but to block areas on Friday seems not to make sense. A friend and I tried to walk out to the apron to watch the first race Friday and we were stopped by someone who asked us if we had admission to the Champagne Room. I said no, but I have champagne tastes, but he didn't let us in.

All in all, despite the sound problems and the escalator problems for a while on the 1st floor, it was a good job by the NYRA.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:34 am

I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:43 am

Tessablue wrote:The crowd was as a whole very unpleasant and the number of college kids I saw passed out on the floor by the end was waaay too high.
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egads.

On the floor? Where is security? I've never seen that before ... I never see that kind of stuff down here....not to that extent..
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