GREYVITOS

GREYVITOS

Postby Horsebagger » Wed May 02, 2018 10:41 am

Someone try and defend to me why the connections are running this horse Saturday.

They're intent on destroying the horse. Sad.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby stark » Wed May 02, 2018 10:48 am

Out of the thousands of race horses running on the wrong surface, running over their heads, running at the wrong distance, why is it you pick on this ONE in particular on multiple occasions?

Disgruntled under-bidder perhaps?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby thinair » Wed May 02, 2018 11:16 am

Horsebagger wrote:Someone try and defend to me why the connections are running this horse Saturday.

They're intent on destroying the horse. Sad.



Didn't they signal they would be mishandling him when they chose the Lexington as his first race back?

It's tough enough to be successful in this game when you do things right. It's impossible when you do everything wrong.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Horsebagger » Wed May 02, 2018 11:20 am

stark wrote:Out of the thousands of race horses running on the wrong surface, running over their heads, running at the wrong distance, why is it you pick on this ONE in particular on multiple occasions?

Disgruntled under-bidder perhaps?


Why would an underbidder be critical of how a horse it didn't buy is managed?

We own a breeding position in his family, if you need to know to sleep better.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Horsebagger » Wed May 02, 2018 11:21 am

thinair wrote:
Horsebagger wrote:Someone try and defend to me why the connections are running this horse Saturday.

They're intent on destroying the horse. Sad.



Didn't they signal they would be mishandling him when they chose the Lexington as his first race back?

It's tough enough to be successful in this game when you do things right. It's impossible when you do everything wrong.


My point exactly. I think there was some back and forth on here somewhere that I was told they would point for the Preakness if he didn't make the Derby field. As someone was suggesting that was a defense of the connections.

At least they'll get their Derby Day seats, I guess.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby stark » Wed May 02, 2018 11:25 am

Okay thanks.
I just thought it always sounded a lot more personal rather than general forum "handicapping talk"
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Horsebagger » Wed May 02, 2018 11:42 am

stark wrote:Okay thanks.
I just thought it always sounded a lot more personal rather than general forum "handicapping talk"


Criticism of the treatment of racehorses shouldn't be limited to handicapping discussions, and this isn't my first criticism. I've just been paying more attention because of our interest. It's simple really. Sleep well.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Curtis » Wed May 02, 2018 12:55 pm

Okay, I’ll bite. The company line is most likely that the BC is at Churchill this year and they want to see if he likes the track. Of course there’s also that race they run on Foster Day for 3yo’s. If he were mine this is what I would have pushed for. An AOC for his first back, provided the money he won last fall doesn’t preclude eligiblity for one. If that worked out then the Affirmed. Do well there then the Los Al Derby. Now granted, the last named race moves around the calendar and could be run on Christmas this year for all I know but if it’s run during that Vacay in Cypress meet they run there in early July, it sounds like a good spot. Now if he still looks to be the promising sort he looked to be last fall, there are options. There is the Travers or if Collected doesn’t come back right and West Coast is still nice but not monstrous, keep him home and try the Pacific Classic over a track at which he’s already a stakes winner. If those last two spots seem too ambitious, there are spots on the Midwestern Derby Tour and then maybe a G1 try in the PA Derby. Instead, maybe NBC can do a feature on him on Saturday with the premise of what some connections will do to get a box on Derby Day using Queen’s Another One Bites The Dust as a soundtrack.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Kennedy » Wed May 02, 2018 5:08 pm

I think one potential reason for running him here is that he does actually have a chance to win the race. The post won't help but it's not ridiculous to run a horse 3 weeks after they last ran. I can imagine that they see the Lexington as a race that he got something out of and they want to build on that?

He won't be my pick but he doesn't exactly jump off the page as in the wrong spot. In this race along you have Seahenge and Funny Duck who look a lot less likely at the conditions. I do think the class, distance and surface are all seemingly spot on for him.
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Re: GREYVITOS

Postby Curtis » Wed May 02, 2018 5:17 pm

Kennedy wrote:I think one potential reason for running him here is that he does actually have a chance to win the race. The post won't help but it's not ridiculous to run a horse 3 weeks after they last ran. I can imagine that they see the Lexington as a race that he got something out of and they want to build on that?

He won't be my pick but he doesn't exactly jump off the page as in the wrong spot. In this race along you have Seahenge and Funny Duck who look a lot less likely at the conditions. I do think the class, distance and surface are all seemingly spot on for him.

It’s not that he doesn’t fit it’s the timing that’s off. The Lexington made little sense in the scheme of things. I don’t remember how many points he has but the Lexington would have given him only 20 more had he won. At best he would have been on the bubble. He ran the way one would expect, show speed and then get tired. Now they’re doubling down in a tougher spot three weeks after a race he, most likely, wasn’t ready for. Don’t put a Preakness run by these soon to be Eclipse Award winning owners. I’m sure Saturday’s race will be deemed as just the prep he needs.
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