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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Curtis » Tue May 08, 2018 12:43 pm

barbaro111 wrote:
Spahny wrote:It was the Pletcher nut job Magnum Moon that wasn't ready for prime time. Who's fault is that?



I so agree with that and not many, well, not any, except you - have the guts to say it; that horse did not belong in the Derby: Pletcher knew
he was a drifter ( though he tried to excuse it before the Derby). he was a danger to himself and others.

Magnum Moon most certainly deserved to be in the Derby. He won one of the biggest preps with authority as the favorite. The draw did him no favors and from what I had noted from his races, his drifting was pretty much confined to the stretch and very well could be a product of lack of focus. Green as grass, I’ll buy that, but he belonged.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Curtis » Tue May 08, 2018 12:46 pm

stark wrote:With regards to the Breeders Cup this year where 11 will be entering the starting gate, making some normal assumptions that everybody progresses throughout the year, Justify will be there as will some older horses, what do you suppose you'll do with Mendelssohn?

A) Cheering him on for an emotional victory.
B) Betting against him to hit the board.
C) Including him underneath on tri's and supers.
D) Betting with both fists on the win end if he's 6/1 or higher.

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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Treve » Tue May 08, 2018 1:49 pm

Side note if any of you are ever in Montreal and would like to hang out for a drink, a coffee or eats, feel free to send me a note!

regarding magnum moon... one could make a case that if the trainer knew how green he was, he shouldn't have run him, but there were several other very green horses including the winner, in the race any of them could've behaved like this, Magnum Moon just happened to be the one. But as we progress towards an era where there are more and more green horses in the Derby, perhaps certain things about the way the race is conducted, should be re-evaluated.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby MySaladDays » Wed May 09, 2018 3:44 am

Treve wrote:But as we progress towards an era where there are more and more green horses in the Derby, perhaps certain things about the way the race is conducted, should be re-evaluated.


I agree. I don't think we've seen a derby where that much rain was falling on the track, it was dangerous, and I think AOBs comment about it was somewhat true. What I saw on Sat was basically a free for all.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Wed May 09, 2018 1:08 pm

The track was a mess; Churchill could have qualified for FEMA assistance. :P
I think everyone is lucky that all the horses came out of this year's Demolition Derby with little more than scrapes, cuts, bruises, abraded eyes and mud-stuffed nostrils.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Tessablue » Wed May 09, 2018 1:22 pm

Churchill is also doing its marquee race no favors by continually pushing the post time back. On a rainy day like that, an extra hour or half hour just makes the track progressively worse. I think it's amazing the race was as clean as it was, especially given the relative inexperience of the field and the fact that the lights were on. The trainers as a whole deserve a lot of credit for it.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Somnambulist » Wed May 09, 2018 2:16 pm

Tessablue wrote:Churchill is also doing its marquee race no favors by continually pushing the post time back.


AGREED.

40 minutes in between posts is just not necessary. All the people in my life are non-racing people and all of them say the time in between races kills whatever interest they have in it.
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby stark » Wed May 09, 2018 2:30 pm

Tessablue wrote:Churchill is also doing its marquee race no favors by continually pushing the post time back. On a rainy day like that, an extra hour or half hour just makes the track progressively worse.


And if it would have poured overnight into the early morning ending at first post on a track that is famous for "drying out quickly" wouldn't the extra hour have been of benefit to all concerned?

Would you prefer that TV contracts and post times were adjusted during the day of the event?
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Mon May 14, 2018 3:30 pm

O'Brien will be bringing Mendelssohn back to the US for a dirt prep before the BC Classic.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/thor ... contender/
He doesn't say which race they're targeting but, since he mentioned Saratoga, would the Travers be about two months out?
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Re: Mendelssohn

Postby Treve » Mon May 14, 2018 3:46 pm

I remember it being mentioned that he might even get two dirt races in the U.S. this Summer.
Travers could be a possibility but Europeans seem to have less qualms about running 3yos against older horses and it's not like our current route handicap division is teeming with Gun Runners, Arrogates or California Chromes. There are some good, talented and honest horses in the division but no one I can think of as being monstrously dominant, so I wonder if the Whitney and/or the Woodward would be on the table?
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