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Re: Justify

Postby honneerider » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:15 pm

Do I understand they are not doing scans/tests immediately?
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Re: Justify

Postby Personal Ensign » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:21 pm

Izvestia Justify isn't the only undefeated triple crown winner, Seattle Slew was undefeated as well. Justify is the only undefeated triple crown winner that didn't race as a 2 year old and is the only undefeated triple crown winner still living.

Izvestia wrote:Surprise!!!
Not.

Reasons for this:
1) running the snot out of him from Feb to June, with no 2-year-old campaign foundation.
2) he was always a “little bit” off after the Derby and Preakness... with scratches...
3) he’s valuable as eff.
4) only undefeated Triple Crown winner in the history of NA racing is a great slogan.
5) they don’t make ‘em like they used to, the industry loves these flashy, lightly raced horses.

So, can we move on to the next Big horse?
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Re: Justify

Postby Catalina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:43 pm

stark wrote:
Kurenai wrote:Aaaaand this is why I wanted to see him get some vacation at Winstar. Not talking about the filling, talking about him losing weight. I really don't get why they didn't send him there after the TC.


As I understood it, his trainer said that he was the kind of horse who thrived on training and being competitive, that he was not the kind of horse who would be easy to stop on for R&R then restart the training regimen all over again.


That, I think, comes closest to the truth. Remember Arrogate who they eventually elected not to persevere on because he "lost interest in racing", after a fairly short racing career. No doubt it helps that both Arrogate as well as Justified had a stellar value as a stallions, which could only go down if they started losing.
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Re: Justify

Postby Kurenai » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:44 pm

Treve wrote:
Ballerina wrote:Filling, from what I've read, can be a result of inactivity especially in a high functioning horse like Justify. It can also be the result of a deep seated injury or infection diagnosed by hi-tech imaging. It is not career ending or life threatening. I do believe Justify will run again. He just won't be coming to Saratoga. :-(


This is only true if the filling is there when you are taking the horse out of the stall. This type of swelling or filling will disappear within minutes of warming up the horse. (And why as Kurenai pointed out, it would be far more beneficial for the horses to be out and moving about even just hand grazing throughout the day than being cooped up in a stall) If what they say is accurate, the filling appeared AFTER his work outs which is why it is concerning (can be indicative of a limb that is not 100% and therefore handling the stress of working/being down poorly).


Thank you Treve :)
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Re: Justify

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:46 pm

Maybe Izvestia meant that Justify would be an undefeated TC winner if he retired right now, and never had a defeat on his record?
IIRC, Seattle Slew, who continued to race after the TC, did not retire undefeated.
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:27 pm

Treve wrote:
Ballerina wrote:Filling, from what I've read, can be a result of inactivity especially in a high functioning horse like Justify. It can also be the result of a deep seated injury or infection diagnosed by hi-tech imaging. It is not career ending or life threatening. I do believe Justify will run again. He just won't be coming to Saratoga. :-(


This is only true if the filling is there when you are taking the horse out of the stall. This type of swelling or filling will disappear within minutes of warming up the horse. (And why as Kurenai pointed out, it would be far more beneficial for the horses to be out and moving about even just hand grazing throughout the day than being cooped up in a stall) If what they say is accurate, the filling appeared AFTER his work outs which is why it is concerning (can be indicative of a limb that is not 100% and therefore handling the stress of working/being down poorly).


I also wrote it could be a result of injury. Jeez!
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Barnum - I mean Baffert is good at PR

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/43620-justi ... er-baffert
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Barnum - I mean Baffert is good at PR

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/43620-justi ... er-baffert
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:37 pm

Oh, and the losing weight bit (in case you skipped over the post I posted). Zoe Cadman reported yesterday that Justify weighed in at 1271 lbs. 2 lbs. more than he weighed before the Belmont. Fast weight loss recovery.

https://twitter.com/zoecadman/status/10 ... 48/video/1
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Re: Justify

Postby katmandu » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:07 pm

Retrospectiv wrote:
Ballerina wrote:Weighing in at 1271 lbs. this morning - 3 lbs. more than when he ran the Belmont.

https://twitter.com/zoecadman/status/10 ... 48/video/1


Knew the "he's lost weight" story from last week was horse puckey.
Baffert had bragged after the Belmont that he'd lost none and was thriving, then after weeks of no plans for a race, suddenly he's light. And now he weighs more again.....
This week it's an ankle.....
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