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Re: Justify

Postby Miss Woodford » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:47 pm

Starine wrote:
Treve wrote:Too late I already saw those comments all over.
If he retires now, will he be the only TC winner not to face olders?



I don't think Count Fleet ever ran again after the Belmont.

Hurt his ankle at the start of the race and still won by 25 lengths, but was too lame to walk out of his stall the next day. He was kept at Belmont the rest of the season in hopes that he could return to training but developed a splint that kept him out the full year. He was actually set to race again as a 4yo but kept reinjuring himself.

Count Fleet, despite being a trainwreck on hooves (he kicked himself in a workout in March, hurt his left foreleg in his first start of the year, tore off part of his left hind hoof in the Wood, and had a slight injury to his left foreleg in the Derby, the same leg that would be reinjured in the Belmont), had 16 wins in 21 career starts. Justify has..6. Justify certainly has something left to prove.
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Re: Justify

Postby Curtis » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:11 am

Miss Woodford wrote:
Starine wrote:
Treve wrote:Too late I already saw those comments all over.
If he retires now, will he be the only TC winner not to face olders?



I don't think Count Fleet ever ran again after the Belmont.

Hurt his ankle at the start of the race and still won by 25 lengths, but was too lame to walk out of his stall the next day. He was kept at Belmont the rest of the season in hopes that he could return to training but developed a splint that kept him out the full year. He was actually set to race again as a 4yo but kept reinjuring himself.

Count Fleet, despite being a trainwreck on hooves (he kicked himself in a workout in March, hurt his left foreleg in his first start of the year, tore off part of his left hind hoof in the Wood, and had a slight injury to his left foreleg in the Derby, the same leg that would be reinjured in the Belmont), had 16 wins in 21 career starts. Justify has..6. Justify certainly has something left to prove.

That he can win ten more and lose five?
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Re: Justify

Postby MySaladDays » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:26 am

Retrospectiv wrote:Knew the "he's lost weight" story from last week was horse puckey.
Baffert had bragged after the Belmont that he'd lost none and was thriving, then after weeks of no plans for a race, suddenly he's light. And now he weighs more again.....
This week it's an ankle.....



Anyone who leaves the sound on when Baffert is talking is wasting their time. :lol:
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:13 am

Bob Baffert is the P. T. Barnum of horse racing. "There's sucker born every minute." He's a hustler, but I still like him - good trainer.
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Re: Justify

Postby peeptoad » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:59 am

Which ankle was it that had the lesion they ablated that delayed his debut? Was it the same ankle?
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Re: Justify

Postby Kurenai » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:26 am

It's good that they are giving him time off and evaluate him. Filling is usually harmless, but requires quite a bit of rest. I honestly doubt that he will race again.

I just wish they had given him more rest immediately after the TC. I know they didn't do much with him at the track either, but the thing is - in my experience with horses - it's much better to hand walk them than doing nothing and keeping them 23 hours in the stable (which is what happens with Baffert, he's not big on grazing either). The moving around without putting a strain on the limbs helps to get swelling down, transport fluids, keeps a good blow flow etc etc

And yeah, a horse that raced as a 2 yo and was time given off during winter wouldn't have needed a break so badly. Stuff like that usually happens if you ask too much in such a short period of time. Loss of weight, some ouchy feet.

Baffert is a great trainer, one of the best, I am well aware of that. But he could learn a thing or two from - for example - the connection of Winx, who always give her time off and a nice vacation (I know some other trainers in the US do that too).
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Re: Justify

Postby Ballerina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:30 am

Filling, from what I've read, can be a result of inactivity especially in a high functioning horse like Justify. It can also be the result of a deep seated injury or infection diagnosed by hi-tech imaging. It is not career ending or life threatening. I do believe Justify will run again. He just won't be coming to Saratoga. :-(
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Re: Justify

Postby Squeaky » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:58 pm

I am baffled at why such a valuable horse does not have a diagnostic work up of X rays and an ultrasound +/- nuclear scan to know exactly what is going on with him. It’s not like money is an issue here.
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Re: Justify

Postby stark » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:20 pm

Squeaky wrote:I am baffled at why such a valuable horse does not have a diagnostic work up of X rays and an ultrasound +/- nuclear scan to know exactly what is going on with him. It’s not like money is an issue here.


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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: Justify

Postby Treve » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:40 pm

Ballerina wrote:Filling, from what I've read, can be a result of inactivity especially in a high functioning horse like Justify. It can also be the result of a deep seated injury or infection diagnosed by hi-tech imaging. It is not career ending or life threatening. I do believe Justify will run again. He just won't be coming to Saratoga. :-(


This is only true if the filling is there when you are taking the horse out of the stall. This type of swelling or filling will disappear within minutes of warming up the horse. (And why as Kurenai pointed out, it would be far more beneficial for the horses to be out and moving about even just hand grazing throughout the day than being cooped up in a stall) If what they say is accurate, the filling appeared AFTER his work outs which is why it is concerning (can be indicative of a limb that is not 100% and therefore handling the stress of working/being down poorly).
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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