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Wed May 16, 2018 3:19 pm

Exactly! Very cool.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Great photos, MSD, and the hoof article was really interesting and informative.
Truly, the unsung heroes of equine sports, the blacksmiths and hi tech shoers.....amazing artistry, really.
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Wed May 16, 2018 3:43 pm

One thing about Justify that is interesting is for as wide a span he might have he doesn't seem to have a lot of hind engagement, relatively speaking. And yet seeing how good he is now, it terrifies me to think what he could be like when he figures out how to reach with his hind and propel himself to the maximum from the back.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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IIRC, it was a farrier who greatly contributed to 'Chrome's 2014 winning streak, when he applied glue-on shoes to the colt's not-hard-as-steel hooves. ;)
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Well Big Brown's feet were a hot mess. I remember as an equestrian I somewhat cringed at the idea of him winning the TC cause I was concerned about him siring 100s of crap-footed future OTTBs :lol:
It was amazing really how well his feet held together through that TC campaign in spite of practically having to rebuild his hoof almost entirely from scratch.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Treve wrote:Well Big Brown's feet were a hot mess. I remember as an equestrian I somewhat cringed at the idea of him winning the TC cause I was concerned about him siring 100s of crap-footed future OTTBs :lol:
It was amazing really how well his feet held together through that TC campaign in spite of practically having to rebuild his hoof almost entirely from scratch.
I love this horse with a passion, but knowing his foot problem and that of his sire, I cringe at those who are brave/stupid enough to have bred to him. I think Dortmund also had hoof problems. What a stinkin' shame. But for the foot problem, I can only guess how good Big Brown would have been.
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Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:Well Big Brown's feet were a hot mess. I remember as an equestrian I somewhat cringed at the idea of him winning the TC cause I was concerned about him siring 100s of crap-footed future OTTBs :lol:
It was amazing really how well his feet held together through that TC campaign in spite of practically having to rebuild his hoof almost entirely from scratch.
I love this horse with a passion, but knowing his foot problem and that of his sire, I cringe at those who are brave/stupid enough to have bred to him. I think Dortmund also had hoof problems. What a stinkin' shame. But for the foot problem, I can only guess how good Big Brown would have been.
gotta have a mare who can go barefoot, with a pedigree behind her of horses who can go barefoot if you want to take the gamble I guess.
Always admired Sheila Varian's philosophy on this, she believed in the old tenet "no hoof no horse" till she died and it was one of the golden rules of her arabian breeding program for decades. If a stud or a mare couldn't work barefoot, even on her dry, rocky California property, then she didn't breed them.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Big Brown may have been happiest running on the grass, which could have been kinder to his feet. I remember his return after the post-TC layoff winning a turf stakes (written for him at Monmouth, IIRC) and he just bounded over the grass running down the stretch. If ever a horse 'ran happy,' it was BB in that race. :D
He shuttled to Australia for a year or more, and I wonder how his offspring did being strictly grass horses?
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Big Brown may have been happiest running on the grass, which could have been kinder to his feet. I remember his return after the post-TC layoff winning a turf stakes (written for him at Monmouth, IIRC) and he just bounded over the grass running down the stretch. If ever a horse 'ran happy,' it was BB in that race. :D
He shuttled to Australia for a year or more, and I wonder how his offspring did being strictly grass horses?
The original intent was to run him on the turf. His first race was on turf, and he ran away with it. His 2nd race was supposed to be on turf, but it was switched to dirt. He did so well, it was like a CIGAR moment.
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Justify had his left hind shoe three-quartered following the Derby to address the irritation there but already he has been re-shod in a conventional shoe for the Preakness on Saturday, per Baffert.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Big Brown may have been happiest running on the grass, which could have been kinder to his feet. He shuttled to Australia for a year or more, and I wonder how his offspring did being strictly grass horses?
He failed miserably as a sire in Australia... :?
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I guess that helps to explain why he's now standing in New York.
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Video of J’s gallop today someone posted on twitter that he kind of threw his head up when changing leads at the top of the stretch.. had not noticed that before? What do you all think?
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Video on XBTV
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Caleb on TVG just said that Justify now weighs 1,300 lbs. :shock:
I guess when Baffert said the colt was 'an eating machine,' he wasn't kidding. :lol:
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Squeaky wrote:Video of J’s gallop today someone posted on twitter that he kind of threw his head up when changing leads at the top of the stretch.. had not noticed that before? What do you all think?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Squeaky wrote:Video of J’s gallop today someone posted on twitter that he kind of threw his head up when changing leads at the top of the stretch.. had not noticed that before? What do you all think?
I didn't see anything concerning when I watched the video that bloodhorse has of today's gallop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az7TIzQTJQM
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Squeaky wrote:Video of J’s gallop today someone posted on twitter that he kind of threw his head up when changing leads at the top of the stretch.. had not noticed that before? What do you all think?
I think it's time for some people to put the microscope back on the shelf and give it a break. Even if/when there's nothing there, it can get to the point where "something" will be found, even when that "something" is in reality nothing.
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tcw wrote:I think it's time for some people to put the microscope back on the shelf and give it a break. Even if/when there's nothing there, it can get to the point where "something" will be found, even when that "something" is in reality nothing.
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tcw wrote:
Squeaky wrote:Video of J’s gallop today someone posted on twitter that he kind of threw his head up when changing leads at the top of the stretch.. had not noticed that before? What do you all think?
I think it's time for some people to put the microscope back on the shelf and give it a break. Even if/when there's nothing there, it can get to the point where "something" will be found, even when that "something" is in reality nothing.

"Just shut up and dole out your $$" doesn't work for me. :)

Evaluating conformation etc. is an individual subjective thing. Even a hangnail on a foot can change your movement, etc. People see what they see, and unless you are an expert then other people's perceptions are valid.

A horse can be "off" and still win. It happens every day all throughout the land. But that doesn't meana they're not "off" and people who evaluate hind quarters, etc. may notice something that you do not. If you've had a horse with a bruise, and you are used to being with him/her every day, then you may notice something that others don't, etc.

Wasn't Arrogate supposed to be okay then he wasn't?
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