Derby Point Races 2018

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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:02 pm

ThreeMustangs wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:The stewards did reverse the outcome. :shock:
I don't agree with the decision. McK may have slightly 'herded' Bolt out deep in the stretch, but Bolt hit McK so hard...twice...on the turn that he knocked the Baffert colt off stride. THAT is the more serious foul, IMHO. :(
Bolt did bump him pretty good, but it happened on the turn and gave McK enough time to recover. McK's offense happened much closer to the wire.

I'm just shocked that a Baffert horse came down in a major Derby prep.
So was Baffert, obviously.
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:24 pm

Catalina wrote:
ThreeMustangs wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:The stewards did reverse the outcome. :shock:
I don't agree with the decision. McK may have slightly 'herded' Bolt out deep in the stretch, but Bolt hit McK so hard...twice...on the turn that he knocked the Baffert colt off stride. THAT is the more serious foul, IMHO. :(
Bolt did bump him pretty good, but it happened on the turn and gave McK enough time to recover. McK's offense happened much closer to the wire.

I'm just shocked that a Baffert horse came down in a major Derby prep.
So was Baffert, obviously.
It was the right call. Mike started the bounce, :shock:
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:35 pm

Is there any doubt that the west coast has the best Derby prospects? They may run elsewhere in their preps but I just don't see anybody on the radar right now. Wouldn't be shocked to see the first 3 or 4 wagering favorites on May 5th all calling California home.

What say you?

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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:39 pm

Kentucky Derby Point Standings as of 3/10/18

http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby- ... -standings
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:47 pm

stark wrote:Is there any doubt that the west coast has the best Derby prospects? They may run elsewhere in their preps but I just don't see anybody on the radar right now. Wouldn't be shocked to see the first 3 or 4 wagering favorites on May 5th all calling California home.

What say you?

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Bolt d ORO
Free drop Billy for 3rd in derby if he get the 5 post;

was all I got out of this week end
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:18 pm

Ballerina wrote:Kentucky Derby Point Standings as of 3/10/18

http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby- ... -standings
And here's what's left to shoot for, 9 future winners are all just one race away from qualifying.

3/17/18 Rebel 1 1/16M Oaklawn 50 20 10 5
3/17/18 Jeff Ruby Steaks 1 1/8M Turfway Park 20 8 4 2
3/24/18 Louisiana Derby 1 1/8M Fair Grounds 100 40 20 10
3/25/18 Sunland Derby 1 1/8M Sunland Park 50 20 10 5
3/31/18 UAE Derby 1 3/16M Meydan 100 40 20 10
3/31/18 Florida Derby 1 1/8M Gulfstream 100 40 20 10
4/07/18 Wood Memorial 1 1/8M Aqueduct 100 40 20 10
4/07/18 Blue Grass 1 1/8M Keeneland 100 40 20 10
4/07/18 Santa Anita Derby 1 1/8M Santa Anita 100 40 20 10
4/14/18 Arkansas Derby 1 1/8M Oaklawn Park 100 40 20 10
4/14/18 Lexington 1 1/16M Keeneland 20 8 4 2
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:19 pm

DRF's list only shows US horses. I'd love to also see where the various foreign contenders rank in the Derby points standings.
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:47 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:DRF's list only shows US horses. I'd love to also see where the various foreign contenders rank in the Derby points standings.
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses

You just need to change the check box at the top, there isn't one list with all horses. You can see the European and Japanese lists separately.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:41 am

I’ll be shocked if the Derby winner isn’t a Southern California horse.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:30 am

McKinzie and Bolt' both ran good races, and continue to show their quality. But I think Flameaway deserves to be given the same respect. The big red colt hasn't thrown in a single poor race (that I know of), keeps winning as the distances increase, and has shown real grit in some hard-fought victories.
Enticed looked very good in the Gotham, but he disappointed in his last race and IMHO hasn't yet proved that he's improved enough to face the above three. Unless it were in a beauty pageant, 'cause that horse is a HUNK. :P
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:26 am

I, too, like Flameaway.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:07 am

Winning Beyer Speed Figures

Tampa Bay Derby 94
Aqueduct Gotham 95
Santa Anita San Felipe 101 (both horses)
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:38 am

Gotham winner Enticed will return to the Palm Meadows training center in south Florida on Monday but he "most likely" will return to New York for the Grade 2 Wood Memorial on April 7, trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said Sunday morning.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:01 pm

Ballerina wrote:That bump in the turn was intentional. But Mike Smith should have been savvy enough to know that revenge is no way to win a race - especially when interviewed he says, "All bets were off after that." However, given the opportunity, Castellano most likely would have crowded Mike over to the fence. Did anyone notice that Castellano was whipping Bolt with his left hand coming down the stretch? A jockey doesn't do that with a horse so close to his left. Both good horses. They'll both be in the Derby. I'm happy for Bolt's trainer - really classy in the interview.


I like to see that some one can read a race. 8-)
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:03 pm

No love for Quip? His first race back after 4 months, presses the pace and won with just as much grit as Flameaway (I thought).
I thought Enticed ran a bang-up race, but certainly that was not a strong field.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:19 pm

A little bit interesting that the Bolt connections are waiting for a call this morning from Castellano to commit to ride in the Santa Anita Derby?
I say interesting because Mick Ruis has already burned thru Gary Stevens and Corey Nakatani as his go-to guys, hmmm!

If Javier says no thanks, Victor Espinoza is waiting in the wings!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:24 pm

Here's the explanation from the stewards in the Bloodhorse article:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... san-felipe

"The first incident—we ultimately concluded that the video was inconclusive," said steward Scott Chaney. "It was our opinion that from the pan (replay), it appeared (McKinzie) came out to make contact. From the quarter-pole (replay angle), it appeared the outside horse was actually coming in to make contact. We thought it was inconclusive as to who was culpable.

"Regarding the second incident, that one was obviously much easier. The video tape showed over the last sixteenth, the inside horse, McKinzie, was drifting out—probably about two paths—forcing (Bolt d'Oro) off his path, costing him the opportunity to gain the head he lost by."
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:58 pm

the to be pick up this week end point were 50-20-10-5 that means a total of 12 horses had a chance to get points and 7 of these horses are now in top 10. I do not like the point system. :?:
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:08 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:the to be pick up this week end point were 50-20-10-5 that means a total of 12 horses had a chance to get points and 7 of these horses are now in top 10. I do not like the point system. :?:
Would you prefer they use qualifying times like they do for million dollar quarterhorse races at Los Alamitos?

Or would you like they way Olympic speed skaters needed to qualify as best 2 out of 4 after 4 years of preparation?

All systems suck, this is just the one we have right now.

What if we had a National Racing Czarina, what rule would she make?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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