Derby Point Races 2018

BaroqueAgain1
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:22 pm

If they really want to have an international flavor to the Derby, some of those races should be win and you're in type qualifiers.

Stark, it turns out that they are, according to this from the above article;
"Victory in this rearranged contest, which was lost to snow last week, earned Gronkowski 20 points in the European 'Road to the Kentucky Derby' with the leader at the end of the series earning a spot in the first leg of the US Triple Crown on May 5, provided they have been nominated."

I don't know what other races are in this "series," but I think one race was supposed to have been run at Dundalk last week. That race, where Coolmore's Mendelssohn was scheduled to race, wasn't run due to "The Beast From the East" horrible weather. Don't know if that one's been rescheduled. :?
BigDonOKC
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:30 pm

free drop bill is on 2 cards - don't know about the Santa Anita card I look for him to take the Tampa bay downs race. :shock:
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:33 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:free drop bill is on 2 cards -
Needs the weather to cooperate for the plane ride out of Florida.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:37 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:don't know about the Santa Anita card

Bolt d'Oro
Lombo
Ayacara
McKinzie
Aquila
Calexman
Peace
Kanthaka
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:19 pm

Jeremy Balan Verified account @BH_JBalan
27m27 minutes ago
Owner/trainer Mick Ruis says he will not run Bolt d'Oro in the San Felipe if the main track is sloppy. Next week's Rebel is Plan B.

“If you have a horse this good, and you don’t have to run on a sloppy track and have more options, wouldn’t you run for $900,000 on a fast track?"
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:52 pm

Sparrow Castle wrote:Jeremy Balan Verified account @BH_JBalan
27m27 minutes ago
Owner/trainer Mick Ruis says he will not run Bolt d'Oro in the San Felipe if the main track is sloppy. Next week's Rebel is Plan B.

“If you have a horse this good, and you don’t have to run on a sloppy track and have more options, wouldn’t you run for $900,000 on a fast track?"

Jeremy Balan
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For what it's worth, with rain possible this weekend, this was Bob Baffert's response to possibly running McKinzie on a wet track.

"Rain, sleet, or snow."
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:56 pm

stark wrote:
Sparrow Castle wrote:Jeremy Balan Verified account @BH_JBalan
27m27 minutes ago
Owner/trainer Mick Ruis says he will not run Bolt d'Oro in the San Felipe if the main track is sloppy. Next week's Rebel is Plan B.

“If you have a horse this good, and you don’t have to run on a sloppy track and have more options, wouldn’t you run for $900,000 on a fast track?"

Jeremy Balan
‏@BH_JBalan

For what it's worth, with rain possible this weekend, this was Bob Baffert's response to possibly running McKinzie on a wet track.

"Rain, sleet, or snow."
Jeremy Balan Verified account @BH_JBalan
41m41 minutes ago
Let's parse this a bit, because the reaction has been harsh. The Rebel's purse is $500,000 more than the San Felipe's. Would it stand to reason, or at least help explain the idea, that if you're going to run in mud, why not run for more money? And the Rebel might not be muddy.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:29 pm

The Gotham field, in post order:

1 Dial Operator Trevor McCarthy

2 Cove Blue Chris Landeros

3 Beautiful Shot Angel Arroyo

4 Whereshetoldmetogo Joe Rocco Jr.

5 Firenze Fire Manny Franco

6 Free Drop Billy Dylan Davis *cross entered @ TampaBay

7 Old Time Revival Steve Hamilton

8 Nine Route Kendrick Carmouche

9 Enticed Junior Alvarado *cross entered @ Tampa Bay
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:34 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:If they really want to have an international flavor to the Derby, some of those races should be win and you're in type qualifiers.

Stark, it turns out that they are, according to this from the above article;
"Victory in this rearranged contest, which was lost to snow last week, earned Gronkowski 20 points in the European 'Road to the Kentucky Derby' with the leader at the end of the series earning a spot in the first leg of the US Triple Crown on May 5, provided they have been nominated."

I don't know what other races are in this "series," but I think one race was supposed to have been run at Dundalk last week. That race, where Coolmore's Mendelssohn was scheduled to race, wasn't run due to "The Beast From the East" horrible weather. Don't know if that one's been rescheduled. :?
Yes I believe that one was rescheduled for Friday.
And there is one last 30 point race at the end of march if I remember correctly on the European road to the KY Derby. I don't know how it works if one of them would run in Dubai though...
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:18 pm

Jeremy Noseda
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Gronkowski has come out of last night's race well. The road to Kentucky and the first Saturday in May is a little bit clearer now. All being well, we'll head to the US next for either the Blue Grass or Wood Memorial. Will finalise plans with @PhoenixThoroug1 & @amerabdulaziz
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:21 pm

Tampa Bay Down 0 DATE 43169 RACE 11 TYPE OF RACE grade ii DISTANCE 1 1/16m
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
1R-Speed 67 90 100 88 101 88 99 101 86 84 85 0 0 0
Average Speed 79 91 91 85 93 91 87 97 87 86 75 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1RP 7 3 3 -1 -1 4 2 -1 3 7 -1 0 0 0
Average Place 3.7 1.3 0.3 0.7 2.0 2.0 3.3 0.0 1.3 1.7 1.0 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1R LO 23.0 13.0 1.3 -0.5 -0.5 14.0 5.5 -13.0 2.8 8.0 -1.5 0.0 0.0 0.0
Average LO 11.3 4.0 -1.3 -0.3 0.9 5.8 10.2 -8.8 1.2 0.5 1.3 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Win % 20% 20% 67% 40% 71% 50% 33% 67% 33% 67% 67% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Show% 60% 80% 100% 60% 71% 75% 83% 100% 83% 67% 67% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
inmoney% 140% 160% 233% 140% 214% 175% 200% 267% 167% 200% 200% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Money 35 122 68 81 435 231 495 159 345 73 27 0 0 0
money Per race 7 24 23 16 62 58 83 53 58 24 9 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYESTEM 71 122 157 126 213 160 197 216 173 119 113 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYSTEM W.MONEY 106 244 225 207 648 391 692 375 518 192 140 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
old system 0 2 7 4 10 3 6 11 6 2 4
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
TOP 5
1R-Speed 5…8 3 7 2 SPEED 8 5 2…3
Average Speed 8 5 2…3..6 8
1RP 4..5..8..11 PLACE 8 4 8…4
Average Place 8 3 4 2….9 8…4
1R LO 8 11 4….5 3 LENGTH 8 4 8.4
Average LO 8 4 3 10 5 3…8
Win % 5 3..8..10..11 W% 5 3….8 10…11
Show% 3…8 7…9 2 S % 3…8 7…9 8..3
inmoney% 8 3 5 7.10.11 IM 8 3 5 7..10.11 OFF POST
Money 7 5 9 8 RM 7 5 9 8 7..5..9.8
money Per race 7 5 6..9 8 S-SWM 7 5 6 7…5
SYESTEM 7 5 8 6 9 SWM-OS 5…7 5…7
SYSTEM W.MONEY 7 5 9 6 2 S-SWM-OS 5 7 8..6..9
old system 8 5 3 7 4…11 PICK 5 7 8
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:31 pm

stark wrote:
BigDonOKC wrote:don't know about the Santa Anita card

Bolt d'Oro
Lombo
Ayacara
McKinzie
Aquila
Calexman
Peace
Kanthaka
PPs
http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/uploa ... lipe18.pdf
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
stark
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:41 pm

I guess it's true?

David Grening
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Tex Sutton flight in Arkansas on way to Florida to pick up Enticed, Free Drop Billy, Cove Blue and Whereshetoldmetogo. So, Enticed and Free Drop Billy will run in Gotham not Tampa
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
BigDonOKC
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:42 pm

it would be better to be able to show the program as it is not as this site show it. Tampa bay 11 race
I am looking at 5-7-8-9 :roll: :roll:
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:46 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:it would be better to be able to show the program as it is not as this site show it. Tampa bay 11 race
I am looking at 5-7-8-9 :roll: :roll:

1 Arazi Like Move (KY) 3/G L S Spieth 118 A Gonzalez 50/1
2 Tiz Mischief (KY) 3/C L J Rosario 118 D L Romans 8/1
3 Vino Rosso (KY) 3/C L J R Velazquez 118 T A Pletcher 4/1
4 Grandpa Knows Best (KY) 3/C J R Leparoux 118 K G McPeek 30/1
5 Flameaway (ON) 3/C L J Lezcano 120 M E Casse 3/1
6 Enticed (KY) 3/C L A A Gallardo 122 K P McLaughlin 6/1
7 Free Drop Billy (KY) 3/C L 124 D L Romans 7/2
8 World of Trouble (FL) 3/C L I Ortiz, Jr. 118 J Servis 5/1
9 Untamed Domain (KY) 3/C L J L Ortiz 122 H G Motion 6/1
10 Quip (KY) 3/C L F Geroux 118 R Brisset 20/1
11 Caloric (KY) 3/C L A Gonzalez 118 M Winters 50/1
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:52 pm

Santa Anita race 6
SANTA Anita 0 DATE 43169 RACE 6 TYPE OF RACE gradeii DISTANCE 1 1/16m
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
1R-Speed 99 88 86 104 93 90 79 99 0 0 0 0 0 0
Average Speed 99 86 83 101 83 82 85 92 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1RP 3 -1 2 -1 -1 8 5 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Average Place 0.3 0.3 3.3 0.0 2.7 4.0 2.0 1.0 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1R LO 5.3 -2.0 2.0 -3.5 -2.3 10.0 8.3 -3.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Average LO -1.1 1.5 2.6 -2.8 4.8 9.3 2.5 0.8 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Win % 75% 50% 17% 100% 33% 25% 25% 67% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Show% 100% 75% 50% 100% 67% 25% 75% 67% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
inmoney% 250% 175% 117% 300% 167% 75% 175% 200% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Money 576 129 103 270 44 33 56 153 0 0 0 0 0 0
money Per race 144 32 17 90 15 8 14 51 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYESTEM 302 177 97 265 117 86 110 211 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYSTEM W.MONEY 878 306 200 535 161 119 166 364 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
old system 11 11 0 13 3 0 3 12
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
TOP 5
1R-Speed 4 1…8 5 6 SPEED 4 1 8
Average Speed 4 1 8 2 4….8
1RP 2.4.5.8 PLACE 4 2 8 4..2..84..2..8
Average Place 4 1…2 8
1R LO 4 8 2…5 LENGTH 4 2…8 4..8..2
Average LO 1 4 8 2 4..8..2
Win % 4 1 8 2 W% 4 1 8 2
Show% 4,,,,1 2…7 S % 4..1 2…7 4..1..8
inmoney% 4 1 8 2…7 IM 4 1 8 OFF POST
Money 1 4 8 7 RM 1 4 8 1..4..8
money Per race 1 4 8 2 S-SWM 1 4 8 2 1..4..8
SYESTEM 1 4 8 2 SWM-OS 1 4 8 2 1..4..8
SYSTEM W.MONEY 1 4 8 2 S-SWM-OS 4 1 8
old system 4 8 1…2 PICK 1…4 8 2
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BigDonOKC
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:54 pm

I post all 3 tracks together later.
:ugeek:
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ADUCTQUE 0 DATE 3/10/2018 RACE 10 TYPE OF RACE G3 DISTANCE 1M
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1R-Speed 91 91 85 92 92 99 94 86 88 0 0 0 0 0 0
Average Speed 84 87 86 90 89 87 87 83 91 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1RP -1 3 3 -1 2 2 2 -1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
Average Place -1.0 2.7 0.3 1.7 2.7 3.3 2.7 -1.0 2.0 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
1R LO -4.5 9.5 9.3 -6.5 2.0 5.5 0.1 -3.0 14.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Average LO -3.1 8.6 2.7 3.2 7.2 7.2 2.8 -3.6 5.8 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Win % 100% 20% 67% 38% 57% 33% 75% 75% 50% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Show% 100% 40% 100% 63% 71% 83% 75% 75% 75% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
inmoney% 300% 80% 233% 163% 200% 200% 225% 225% 175% #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
Money 51 37 91 133 589 495 48 127 231 0 0 0 0 0 0
money Per race 26 7 30 17 84 83 12 32 58 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYESTEM 157 96 143 137 208 208 140 174 175 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
SYSTEM W.MONEY 208 133 234 270 797 703 188 301 406 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
old system 7 1 5 6 7 8 8 10 6
HORSE # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
TOP 5
1R-Speed 6 7 4…5 1…2 SPEED 4..5..6 7
Average Speed 9 4 5 2…6…7 4
1RP 1;;4;;8 5..6..7 PLACE 1;;;8 4 1;;;8
Average Place 1….8 3 4 9
1R LO 4 1 8 7 5 LENGTH 1…8 7 1….8..4
Average LO 8 1 3 7 4
Win % 1 7…8 3 W% 1 7…8 3
Show% 1…3 6 7..8..9 S % 1…3 6 1…3….7
inmoney% 1 3 7…8 IM 1 3 7….8 OFF POST TO
Money 5 6 9 4 8 RM 6…5 9 8
money Per race 6 5 9 8 S-SWM 5 6…9 8 5..6..9..8
SYESTEM 9 5 6 8 1 SWM-OS 6..8..5
SYSTEM W.MONEY 5 6 9 8 4 S-SWM-OS 6 8;;;5
old system 8 6..7 1,,,,5 PICK 5 8 6 9
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BaroqueAgain1
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:14 pm

The Patton at Dundalk is being run tomorrow at 7:30 British time. I think that will be 11:30 AM Pacific time, although the US habit of switching back-and-forth from Daylight Savings to Standard may have that an hour off. :P
At least the race will be on at a decent hour, and TVG has been promoting the race...and Mendelssohn. I hope he wins well, and that he then follows Gronkowski's example and come to the US for his last prep.
Possible spoilers could be another O'Brien-trained (though not Coolmore-owned) colt, Threeandfourpence (War Front), or his fellow Coolmore entrant, Seahenge (Scat Daddy).
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:24 pm

Track conditions.

I'm guessing TampaBay will be sunny, fast and firm.
Aqueduct will be cold and ???
Santa Anita chance of showers.

Will you change your picks based on the mud/sealed/frozen/fast/dry conditions?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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