Derby Point Races 2018

Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby thinair » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:05 pm

Well, I'm glad that's been cleared up.
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby stark » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:50 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:the point I was making was the derby has changed it use to pay big and the only reason it paid like it did last year was they moved the gates out.


I know I've seen some turf races where they announce that the rails are out 20ft or 30ft for example. Is that what they did with the Churchill gates last year? That's probably why the exacta was inside numbers 5/1, right?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby BigDonOKC » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:06 pm

thinair wrote:Well, I'm glad that's been cleared up.



3/1/2018 race is 20 point at Kempton and 3/2/2018 20 point race at Dundalk are the next point races which are a wast of time. These horses will not be in the derby. The reason is simple point, time and location.

The next real point race is 3/3/2018 a 50 point race at gulfstream park Fountain of youth. :P :P
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby BigDonOKC » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:12 pm

stark wrote:
BigDonOKC wrote:the point I was making was the derby has changed it use to pay big and the only reason it paid like it did last year was they moved the gates out.


I know I've seen some turf races where they announce that the rails are out 20ft or 30ft for example. Is that what they did with the Churchill gates last year? That's probably why the exacta was inside numbers 5/1, right?



In 40 years the gate had set on the rail which killed the 1 and 2 gate--- but for some reason they moved the gate out away from the rail out but did not show it till the horses were going in the gate. on grass they move the rail out due to rain in the derby for the first time they moved the gate out this one factor cost a lot of people money.
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby stark » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:35 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:3/1/2018 race is 20 point at Kempton and 3/2/2018 20 point race at Dundalk are the next point races which are a wast of time. These horses will not be in the derby. The reason is simple point, time and location.


How many points do you think will be required to make into the starting gate on Cinco de Mayo?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby BigDonOKC » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:47 pm

stark wrote:
BigDonOKC wrote:3/1/2018 race is 20 point at Kempton and 3/2/2018 20 point race at Dundalk are the next point races which are a wast of time. These horses will not be in the derby. The reason is simple point, time and location.


How many points do you think will be required to make into the starting gate on Cinco de Mayo?




40
may be 30 to be in top 20 on the list it was better when money was what it took
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby Treve » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:34 pm

BigDonOKC wrote:
stark wrote:
BigDonOKC wrote:3/1/2018 race is 20 point at Kempton and 3/2/2018 20 point race at Dundalk are the next point races which are a wast of time. These horses will not be in the derby. The reason is simple point, time and location.


How many points do you think will be required to make into the starting gate on Cinco de Mayo?




40
may be 30 to be in top 20 on the list it was better when money was what it took


2017 saw 3 horses in the gates with less than 40 points. One of them (Lookin At Lee) had 32 and finished in the exacta. The other two had 34 (Untrapped) and 30 (Sonneteer).
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby stark » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm

I'm guessing he's not a fan of the point system.....

Trainer Keith Desormeaux said Monday night that his challenge now is to find the best route to the Kentucky Derby Presented by Woodford Reserve (G1) for My Boy Jack, who is owned by Don't Tell My Wife Stables (Kirk Godbey and Rob Slack) and Monomoy Stables (Sol Kumin).

My Boy Jack has 12 Kentucky Derby qualifying points, including 10 for his Southwest victory, to rank 13th on the Road to the Kentucky Derby leaderboard. Where the son of Creative Cause will attempt to increase his total next is up in the air, Desormeaux said.

"What it does to me, it kind of puts me in a tight spot because as a trainer, my first instinct, off of this race, and the body of work that this horse has—he's had plenty of starts, he's dead fit—I would totally just give him one more start before the Derby," Desormeaux said. "But, because of this point system, I have to think about a fallback plan."
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby Curtis » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:09 pm

stark wrote:I'm guessing he's not a fan of the point system.....

Nor am I. I'd take all restrictions away and just let whoever wants to run, enter. On either Oaks Day or Derby Day, schedule a 9f 400-500k race for three-year-olds. That should make some connections in whose heart of hearts know they have little chance in the big race, come to their senses and go after a more obtainable spot. If you still have more than twenty clamoring to go in the Derby, split the race. The Earth won't come off its' axis. Besides, how bad can a second rendition of My Old Kentucky Home, being sung by 150k after having one too many mint julep, be?
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Re: Derby Point Races 2018

Postby Northport » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:54 pm

I like the point system. And sorry, but splitting any country's preeminent classic race, let alone the KY Derby, because too many hammerheads with a three year old colt who ran 7th in the Remsen want an owner's box on the big day, is just... silly. It's literally called, "The most exciting two minutes in sports" for a reason.

If you think connections like Ramsey, Paolucci, etc. are going to listen to their "heart of hearts" on Derby day and not run their no hopers? Ramsey lives to win the Derby and Paolucci tries to enter maidens in Breeder's Cup races.

While we're at it, let's just let all 40 start in one race, over the National Course at Aintree... only 10 will cross the line with their jockeys :lol:
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