Pegasus World Cup Invitational - 1/27/18

BaroqueAgain1
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Really? :?
My DirecTV schedule, which is very reliable, still has the Pegasus coverage from 1:30 - 3 PM on regular NBC (Ch. 4 for the LA area), while NBCSN has Track & Field.
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Treve
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:07 pm

stark wrote:Joel Rosario now confirmed to ride Stellar Wind in Pegasus per Chad Brown.
This is an interesting decision.
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I know that Victor Espinoza has long been her regular rider and they have certainly had success as a team. Apparently she has her quirks, which Victor knows how to handle.
Does Coolmore have a reason to change to Joel, and not use Victor? IMHO, legging up a new jock on a not-push-button mare for a $16 million race seems like a weird decision. :?
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Discussion on whether to extend run-up distance for @PegasusWorldCup taking place at @GulfstreamPark, per Tim Ritvo. Said whatever is decided (yes/no) will be done before draw on Wednesday. There's a short run to first turn going 1 1/8m at GP, and with 12 horses...
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:23 pm

That's very interesting. . . Watchmaker had an editorial on DRF about a race of this magnitude being so heavily biased by post position. And it contained a lot of quotes from last year, too. . .

If Sharp Azteca gets beat by a head, I'll be howling. :lol:
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:34 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I know that Victor Espinoza has long been her regular rider and they have certainly had success as a team. Apparently she has her quirks, which Victor knows how to handle.
Does Coolmore have a reason to change to Joel, and not use Victor? IMHO, legging up a new jock on a not-push-button mare for a $16 million race seems like a weird decision. :?
I'm guessing it's Chad's decision more than Coolmore's. Guess we will have to see if it pays off...
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:33 pm

Treve wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I know that Victor Espinoza has long been her regular rider and they have certainly had success as a team. Apparently she has her quirks, which Victor knows how to handle.
Does Coolmore have a reason to change to Joel, and not use Victor? IMHO, legging up a new jock on a not-push-button mare for a $16 million race seems like a weird decision. :?
I'm guessing it's Chad's decision more than Coolmore's. Guess we will have to see if it pays off...
Well, I see it this way. All horses, as do humans, have their quirks. Stellar Wind's biggest quirk, observing from the ground, is that she needs to be ridden pretty much throughout the race and I think most anyone who has competed against her knows that. Say what you may about Sadler, but he's a pretty nice guy, so if Chad Brown called him, I imagine Sadler would fill him in on any idiosyncrasies she may have. On her best day--which was probably almost a year and a half ago--Stellar Wind would probably split the field, maybe pick up a minor piece of the purse. Joel Rosario has some quirks himself but on his best day he's as strong a finisher as you'd want and they may need to do something different, besides dancing with who brung her, for Stellar Wind to have a shot at a bigger piece. This is a one off deal and she'll be bred as soon as possible after the race. As long as she comes back sound and able to be bred, I think it's worth a gamble. Granted, I don't see her any better than fourth if she runs the race of her life.
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Curtis wrote:
Treve wrote:
I'm guessing it's Chad's decision more than Coolmore's. Guess we will have to see if it pays off...
Well, I see it this way. All horses, as do humans, have their quirks. Stellar Wind's biggest quirk, observing from the ground, is that she needs to be ridden pretty much throughout the race and I think most anyone who has competed against her knows that. Say what you may about Sadler, but he's a pretty nice guy, so if Chad Brown called him, I imagine Sadler would fill him in on any idiosyncrasies she may have. On her best day--which was probably almost a year and a half ago--Stellar Wind would probably split the field, maybe pick up a minor piece of the purse. Joel Rosario has some quirks himself but on his best day he's as strong a finisher as you'd want and they may need to do something different, besides dancing with who brung her, for Stellar Wind to have a shot at a bigger piece. This is a one off deal and she'll be bred as soon as possible after the race. As long as she comes back sound and able to be bred, I think it's worth a gamble. Granted, I don't see her any better than fourth if she runs the race of her life.
Yes, I'm aware of that re: Stellar Wind's biggest quirk and I know that Joel is a patient rider and a strong finisher, he accordingly tends to do best on Closers. So I was trying to fit the pieces in my mind, as I don't think of Stellar Wind as a closer per se and there might have been better options but I am not in Chad's head and so I'm not entirely sure what his reasoning actually is. I am thinking she might run further back than usual given the pure speed types entered in the race, which might work well to pick up a piece with Joel in the irons.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:24 am

Post position draw 11:00 a.m. EST on TVG 1 & 2.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:35 am

I'll be rooting for Toasty. I know he has zero chance to win it, but he's my sentimental pick. :lol:
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:20 pm

Have they decided if they were going to lengthen the run up?
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:24 pm

Treve wrote:Have they decided if they were going to lengthen the run up?
They decided not to change it mid-meet, but will consider it for upcoming meets.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:28 pm

Sparrow Castle wrote:
Treve wrote:Have they decided if they were going to lengthen the run up?
They decided not to change it mid-meet, but will consider it for upcoming meets.
Thanks :)
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:28 pm

TVG may be showing the race, after all. Schtupp said something this morning about partnering with NBC and thanking them. I'm hoping that means that TVG gets to broadcast the race live.
Although, to be honest, I'll watch the race on NBC. Better hi-def cameras. It's the typical NBC fluff stuff that I'll skip by watching TVG's pre-race coverage.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:06 pm

It's unfortunate that Gun Runner seems to be amongst the few in here adversely affected by the draw. I just hope he breaks ok, so Florent can get him in a decent spot and not give the others a chance to race ride. Definitely not good, but not a death knell. I would've preferred West Coast out a couple gates too. Sharp Azteca is a nice horse but I'm not sold on the stretch out. Not sure why he's second choice on the morning line.
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"She's all class. She's been real easy to be around and to train. She just goes out there and does her thing. She's a very straightforward horse," Brown said. "The most disappointing thing is only having her for one start because I can see how classy she is, a true champion. We'll try to make the best of that one start."
Sounds like he is pretty high on her. I'm hoping she'll do well, I'd love to see her go off to her date with Pharoah on a good note.

I do think Sharp Azteca at 9f is maybe stretching it but he's won at 1 mile 1/16 by 7 1/2 lengths, and at this tricky distance (for the track) and his good post position he might just be able to convert that into an upset.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:27 pm

From a gamblin perspective, 8/1 is simply too good of a price to pass up on WEST COAST.

A view from the magic 8 ball indicates that'll be the longest price he'll be all year en route to HOY honors at the end of 2018.

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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:32 pm

Treve wrote:I do think Sharp Azteca at 9f is maybe stretching it but he's won at 1 mile 1/16 by 7 1/2 lengths, and at this tricky distance (for the track) and his good post position he might just be able to convert that into an upset.
He broke a 20 year old track record in that race too, but he also "towered" over the field and it was basically an exhibition. He didn't have Collected breathing down his neck. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan girl of this horse, I love the brilliant ones. I think the greatest hope is that he seems to be maturing some and is now showing an ability to stalk and it's Gulfstream. Hopefully Collected breaking next door doesn't bring out the worst in him.

I thought West Coast looked good this last week, he's a powerful, long striding kind of beast.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:35 pm

Question.....if the Pegasus moves to Santa Anita in an effort to eliminate a bunch of problems, including distance of the race, outside posts, on-track attendance etc. is the $30million dollar 110 foot tall Pegasus parking lot bronze sculpture part of the deal?

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/t ... th-florida
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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