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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:51 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Lemaire has been riding very well, so his presence on Rey de Oro is a plus for me. I'm really rooting for KB, but this is a stacked field. I wouldn't be surprised to see any one of six or seven entrants take this race.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:42 pm
by Northport
I am guessing that that barrier draw screencap came from a fan site, as everyone's last name is listed, except Yutaka Take, aka "Legend".

The title does fit him, though!

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:57 pm
by lurkey mclurker
LOL yes it was a translation on twitter... :lol:

Here's the actual original FWIW:
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And pre-race media seems to be focusing on Rey de Oro vs Kitasan Black / Lemaire vs Take showdown, definitely.
G‏ @LongBallToNoOne 2h 2 hours ago

Sports Graphic Number Web Feature
Yutaka Take and Christophe Lemaire
KITASAN BLACK or REY DE ORO? #JapanCup
Looking good @christo68914587
https://t.co/BhdLQh2vQr
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:03 am
by lurkey mclurker
Meanwhile, Cheval Grand will have Hugh Bowman (Aus) on board & has reportedly been training very well... could sneak in with a chance... *if* he can overcome the inside post???
G‏ @LongBallToNoOne Nov 22

Hugh Bowman and CHEVAL GRAND (left) got to know each other uphill on the chip at Ritto ahead of the Japan Cup #theearthwillrumble https://t.co/bZ9gMScJmo
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:21 am
by tachyon
-- Barrier Draw
http://japanracing.jp/_news2017/171124.html


TOKYO 11R
THE JAPAN CUP(G1)

November 26, 2017, 2400m, Turf, Post time 15:40
INT DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds & Up, Open Class, Value of race: 575,220,000 Yen

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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:32 am
by tachyon
-- Japan Cup photo paddock

Kitasan Black(JPN)(Black Tide) H5
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Rey de Oro(JPN)(King Kamehameha) C3
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Satono Crown(JPN)(Marju) H5
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Makahiki(JPN)(Deep Impact) C4
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Cheval Grand(JPN)(Heart's Cry) H5
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Soul Stirring(JPN)(Frankel) F3
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:44 am
by tachyon
Rainbow Line(JPN)(Stay Gold) C4
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Sciacchetra(JPN)(Manhattan Cafe) C4
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Yamakatsu Ace(JPN)(King Kamehameha) H5
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Sounds of Earth(JPN)(Neo Universe) H6
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One and Only(JPN)(Heart's Cry) H6
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Last Impact(JPN)(Deep Impact) H7
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Decipher(JPN)(Deep Impact) H8
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:54 am
by tachyon
Boom Time(AUS)(Flying Spur) H6
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Idaho(IRE)(Galileo) C4
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Iquitos(GER)(Adlerflug) H5
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Guignol(GER)(Cape Cross) H5
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encore.. ;)
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Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:34 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
The Japanese horses are all so lean, with a greyhound look. But Makahiki takes that to the extreme, with his really deep shoulder/chest tapering up to a wasp waist. :shock:
I know that the Japanese haven't actually created a new breed of TB, but they sure look different. I presume that, along with breeding for a less muscular type, they also employ different training and feeding regimens from what we might see here in the US.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:44 pm
by lurkey mclurker
I was actually going to comment that I think that's the best Makahiki has looked in awhile... :lol:

Sciacchetra has matured very nicely, too, now he's a four-year-old. So excited for this race, on paper it's so competitive with so many of them having a legit shot at winning. Can't wait!!

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:30 pm
by Northport
I mean, Japan seems to mostly breed for middle distance and stayers, horses that will excel from 1 1/4 miles to 2 miles. If they want to win top races like both phases of the Tenno Sho, along with Japan Cup, Arima Kinen, etc. That alone could contribute to a longer and lankier stayer-type.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:08 pm
by tachyon
-- Key stallions' average winning distance on the turf:

Sunday Silence(USA) : 1761m

Deep Impact(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1792m
King Kamehameha(JPN) (Kingmanbo) : 1773m
Stay Gold(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1924m
Daiwa Major(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1561m
Heart's Cry(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1862m
Harbinger(GB) (Dansili) : 1901m
Kurofune(USA) (French Deputy) : 1593m
Manhattan Cafe(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1772m
Admire Moon(JPN) (End Sweep) : 1475m
Gold Allure(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1683m
Neo Universe(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1798m
Black Tide(JPN) (Sunday Silence) : 1709m
Rulership(JPN) (King Kamehameha) : 1927m
Kinshasa no Kiseki(AUS) (Fuji Kiseki) : 1379m
Empire Maker(USA) (Unbridled) : 1696m*

*Empire Maker's average winning distance on the dirt in Japan is 1592m.


Does anyone have any idea about how these numbers will be compared to those of major stallions in the US (and in Europe)?

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:20 pm
by Treve
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:The Japanese horses are all so lean, with a greyhound look. But Makahiki takes that to the extreme, with his really deep shoulder/chest tapering up to a wasp waist. :shock:
I know that the Japanese haven't actually created a new breed of TB, but they sure look different. I presume that, along with breeding for a less muscular type, they also employ different training and feeding regimens from what we might see here in the US.
They look as thoroughbreds should look imho, very classic looking and evocative of 18th and 19th century oil paintings of race horses and famous studs or broodies ;) Lean, elegant, athletic.
(Let's not forget TBs used to regularly run 4 mile races sometimes 2 or 3 heats in a day so up to 12 miles, including the horses here in North America, so it makes sense that horses bred for middle/classic and stayer distances would look like the old depictions out there).

You see a similar separation of body types in human sprinters vs marathoners and distance runners. TBs in general have a mixture of slow twitch and fast twitch muscle fibre genes. Quarter Horses have fast twitch and Arabians have slow twitch. Selective breeding in TBs could impact the amount from one line/individual to the next. And of course training is a factor. Maybe also the way the (legal) drug use impacts the metabolism.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:30 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
How good is Ryan Moore? Probably good enough that his mere presence in the saddle will drop Idaho's odds. ;) :P
https://www.racingpost.com/news/fans-in ... mer/309836

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:45 pm
by lurkey mclurker
Wow, I didn't know he made it to SIX - when I went to bed he was four-for-four which was pretty incredible by itself. :o

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:46 am
by BaroqueAgain1
The weather looks nice. That's good. When I watched Kitasan Black win the Tenno Sho Autumn (I think?), the horses looked like they were running through a marsh in the middle of the Monsoon. :P

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:11 am
by lurkey mclurker
OMG Kitasan Black looks sooooooooooooo good in the paddock. I can't even. :shock:

ETA: Rey de Oro looks fit too, but Mr Black is just built like a beast at the mo.

Boom Time has a lovely walk, a long swinging stride.

Idaho is all tail-swishy & head tossing... not in an upset way, but he's a bit keyed up.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:25 am
by BaroqueAgain1
That's typical Idaho. Actually, that's pretty much many Galileos. You could count on his bro, Highland Reel, to work up a good sweat before his races, as well.

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 am
by lurkey mclurker
Yeah he's a bit washy now they've warmed up and are walking behind the gate...

Re: The Japan Cup(G1)

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:57 am
by lurkey mclurker
OH MY GOD.

What a finish. My hands are shaking. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Cheval Grand by a length over Rey de Oro & Kitasan Black, just heads apart.

...WOW.

ETA: Makahiki fourth & Idaho up for fifth.

Still wowed. :shock:

ETAA: I didn't know that Cheval Grand is half to *both* Verxina & Vivlos! What else is there to say but... WOW. :lol: