How Much Does She Weigh?

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stark
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:28 pm

Starting on Friday at Santa Anita, each horse will be weighed in the receiving barn before going to the saddling area.

Then, a complete listing of each horse's weight will be provided for public consumption before the post parade!

Any value for you?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:34 pm

It might have some value once there are enough figures to track fluctuations.
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:35 pm

While watching racing from Sha Tin in Hong Kong, I noticed that the analysts talked about the runners' weights. Hong Kong apparently has been weighing their racehorses for some time, and making the figures public. That lets you monitor whether a horse coming back from a layoff is getting into shape, or whether someone is losing weight, which might indicate a horse isn't thriving.
How is Santa Anita going to make the weights public? Will there be a print-out, maybe as part of a program? Or will the track announcer just tell fans what each horse weighs in the post parade? :?
If you're going to keep track of fluctuations from week to week, I'd think you would need those weights available at all times, either in print (DRF?) or maybe online?
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:51 pm

For the life of me I can't figure out how I would include this information in my handicapping.

The night before I've watched all the replays, calculated speed figures, checked notes regarding workouts, determined fair value etc etc etc. and to think I might change my mind at post time because my horse is 50 pounds more or less than last time?

It's kinda like a horse adding front wraps that you don't see until the post parade, at some point you have to handicap the trainer/owner and what they're trying to do in this spot today. I learned a very long time ago from CharlieW that wraps aren't necessarily a bad thing, sometimes it's just part of "claiming poker" and the gambler has to learn what motivates trainers and what they're strong at.

But weight, geesh, I'm gonna say that if Mandella sends out an over/under weight horse he knows what he's doing and I trust him, whereas AC Avila is another story.

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Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Laying eyes on a horse will tell you more about if they are thriving or not than their actual weight. Horse A at 1000 lbs can look a heck of a lot different than Horse B at the same weight.
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:35 pm

I love it. Completely useless as a first measurement, completely useless for making comparisons between horses, and I wouldn't use it for betting at all until trends have been found and established, but I love the idea of being able to track one horse's condition over time and correlate performance with condition. Horse comes back off a layoff 20 pounds heavier than they were before? Horse runs in the next race back at a normal weight? Good stuff!

More importantly, I could finally put together the weight vs. weight carried study I've been dreaming of for years...
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:01 pm

Greyhound racing has always included the dogs' weight in its programs and past performances. Does losing a pound or two between races mean more for a 70-pound dog than it does for a 1,000-pound horse? Do dog players see weight fluctuations as an important handicapping factor? I've only dabbled in greyhound betting, so I have no idea on that.
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:09 pm

The Japanese report weight as well. I think more information is always better in this instance.
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:45 pm

I think the information is pertinent only if you follow a particular horse through a campaign and perhaps more useful when races are scheduled closer together instead of the months that go by for american horse campaigns.

ie, for say the US Triple Crown races. Seeing the Horse A dropped 25lbs between the Derby and the Preakness would indicate the race took more out of the horse than say Horse B who maintained or even gained 10lbs. When a horse is in peak condition, you shouldn't see the weigh fluctuate much.
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:21 pm

Remington Park, Japan or Santa Anita......first person to post a winning ticket with their explanation crediting weight information as the key to success wins a prize, and yes redboarding will be allowed!

Thanks and Good Luck.
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:00 pm

I think this is great. I've wondered before why this isn't done. I do think that there could be some value when you see a horse has lost considerable weight, for example. I also just think it's interesting and imparts some knowledge. Most will soon learn that there aren't really that many 1300 pound racehorses out there. Now, if they'd just measure their height too, then we could teach that 17 hand horses are really fairly unusual. :)
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:14 pm

I feel this is only valuable to compare a horse to itself. You could never use this to compare horse A to horse B, but it could be very insightful to compare a horse to itself and their condition. Can you imagine how people will add this factor into their KD picks? I can't wait! :D

I remember someone saying(Donna maybe?) Super Saver looked like he lost weight in between the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness and he ran pretty terrible, like a horse not conditioned for the race, if I remember.

I think if used correctly within the right context weight can tell you a lot about the condition of the horse. I also think it is cool they are getting more open with horses information.
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:48 pm

Anybody know if Equibase/DRF Past Performances will start including weight somewhere?

As mentioned here, the value lies in comparing the changes for any particular horse and what does today's weight of 1100 pounds represent in terms of change from prior races?

p.s. I'll trade all of the weight info for surgical procedure info, eg Entrapped Epiglottis, let me know that before the race and I'll be most appreciative!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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