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Tessablue
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Sat May 20, 2017 12:56 pm

Always Dreaming currently 7-5, Classic Empire 2-1. We'll see how it changes, but those seem like very generous odds on the favorite.
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Sat May 20, 2017 2:10 pm

stark wrote:Question for those that follow the auction news.....

what happened to Conquest Mo Money, how bad did he look, was there a red flag posted?

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CMM had issues with his ankles filling when Casse worked him early on before his race debut, thus he wound up in the dispersal for Conquest.
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Sat May 20, 2017 2:20 pm

stark wrote:There's no rule that says you have to bet every race and I'm very tempted to pass on this one.
That's where I am. So far I have nothing. I'll likely end up with nothing. The matchups are simply not attractive. I passed on several matchups in the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum Brands! that were preferable to anything I see here.

Besides, the Preakness causes me to second guess. That's lingered for more than 20 years. I am seldom surprised by the performances of the top tier horses in the Derby. Point Given running such a dull race is the only example I can think of in semi recent history. In the Preakness I'm surprised/semi shocked quite frequently, although that again traces to the '90s more than 2000 forth. Still scarred, I guess.

I keep going back and forth between Always Dreaming, Classic Empire and Gunnevera. They key to the race, IMO, is whether the Classic Empire connections are confident or paranoid. I have no idea. There are indications in both directions. That's what keeps me away from the matchups and props.

If the Classic Empire folks are confident -- rationalizing that the Derby was mostly racing luck -- then they'll allow a normal race and pace while tracking Always Dreaming and assuming they'll merely outrun him late. In that scenario, the winner should come from among those two. I was favoring Classic Empire most of the week but his parimutuel odds and matchup odds carry too much benefit of a doubt.

If Classic Empire's camp is paranoid, then everything changes and countless permutations open up. We could have a version of the 1976 Preakness or 2015 Travers, with nose to nose frenzy in that critical midsection of the race. That opens things up for Gunnevera. He has shown enough to be the easy recipient of greatest confidence among the second tier types. Gunnevera at +140 to finish in the Top 4 is one of the props I strongly considered. He mostly has to defeat the stiff new shooters.

I don't handicap or consider the new shooters. As always, more often than not. I don't care about outliers. What is the best utilization of time and dollars?Once or twice per decade a new shooter actually means something. I'm more than willing to miss those one or two while comfy that I didn't waste time with the other eight or nine.
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Sat May 20, 2017 2:37 pm

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Sat May 20, 2017 3:01 pm

peeptoad wrote:
CMM had issues with his ankles filling when Casse worked him early on before his race debut, thus he wound up in the dispersal for Conquest.
Thanks Peep,
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:42 pm

Gunnevera-Multiplier-Always Dreaming

If it was wet, I might change to AD-Gunn-Mult.
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:52 pm

The track appears to be drying out, although the Sir Barton winner, No Mo Dough, came from far back...and was covered in mud. His jock had run out of goggles by the time they came into the stretch and finished the race with nekkid eyeballs. :lol:
With a closer winning the Sir Barton, and Time To Travel, who dueled for the lead for most of the race, hanging on for 2nd, it looks like the track is playing pretty fair.
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:58 pm

Well, listening again to the audio post-Derby, that pretty much clinches there was a rail bias at CD that day.


Edit: although I think AD prob still wins this...
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Sat May 20, 2017 5:37 pm

I hope nobody is doing a "drink every time they mention Clasisc Empire's trip" drinking game...
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Sat May 20, 2017 5:42 pm

Tessablue wrote:I hope nobody is doing a "drink every time they mention Clasisc Empire's trip" drinking game...
I hope not either, "The People's Party" looks pretty wild from what they have shown on the NBC telecast, it will be interesting to see how the horses being saddled outside respond to the rowdiness of the infield crowd
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Tessablue wrote:I hope nobody is doing a "drink every time they mention Clasisc Empire's trip" drinking game...
I worked every day this past week. I need to play this game.

And to listen to Randy Moss.
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Somnambulist wrote:
Tessablue wrote:I hope nobody is doing a "drink every time they mention Clasisc Empire's trip" drinking game...
I worked every day this past week. I need to play this game.

And to listen to Randy Moss.
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Sat May 20, 2017 5:57 pm

Concern for how horses respond to loud noises doesn't seem to be important to the Pimlico powers-that-be. :roll:
TVG was on-air when that huge 'stealth' bomber buzzed the track. The intense noise level from the plane overloaded their mics...and the paddock was full of fillies waiting to be saddled for the next race.
From what Caton said, some horses froze in terror, while a couple 'acted up.' The only entrant who ignored the bombing run turned out to have her ears stuffed with cotton. Lucky girl. :P
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"...it will be interesting to see how the horses being saddled outside respond to the rowdiness of the infield crowd..."

I believe the two Asmussen horses, Hence and Lookin At Lee, are being saddled within the inside saddling paddock, and away from the infield. Steve's been here before and apparently doesn't want to play that 'how badly will my horses respond to thousands of screaming drunks?' game. :lol:
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:02 pm

Could you make more Italian guys than these two.

No.
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:04 pm

Omg listening to them is my life.

I hope they win it.
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:05 pm

Always Dreaming is being saddled indoors too, I believe. I love the tradition, but it's probably the right choice for the horses.
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:07 pm

I thought I heard Pletcher say that AD will be saddled inside as well.

Having grownup outside of NYC I'll be rooting for AD
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:08 pm

Somnambulist wrote:Omg listening to them is my life.

I hope they win it.
Just imagine the composition of the Belmont crowd!
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:09 pm

It sure looks like a lot of the NBC and TVG crews/analysts are in Classic Empire's corner for this race. It should be interesting as CE should get a very good trip this time. Of course if he does win, then most of the talk will likely amp-up even more about "what if" in regard to his Derby trip.
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