The Preakness

Re: The Preakness

Postby Treve » Wed May 10, 2017 3:21 pm

What is the max field size for the Preakness again?
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

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Re: The Preakness

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Wed May 10, 2017 3:29 pm

IIRC, fourteen. Like the Kentucky Oaks.
Churchill should take a hint. :roll:
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Re: The Preakness

Postby barbaro111 » Wed May 10, 2017 3:45 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:IIRC, fourteen. Like the Kentucky Oaks.
Churchill should take a hint. :roll:


Yep 14 horses would be great for the derby
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Re: The Preakness

Postby Treve » Wed May 10, 2017 5:21 pm

Thanks I couldn't remember if it was 12 or 14.
Would be fantastic to see a full gate for the Preakness.
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Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


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Re: The Preakness

Postby Catalina » Wed May 10, 2017 7:16 pm

barbaro111 wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:IIRC, fourteen. Like the Kentucky Oaks.
Churchill should take a hint. :roll:


Yep 14 horses would be great for the derby


We can dream...
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Re: The Preakness

Postby blamethewinner » Wed May 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Catalina wrote:
barbaro111 wrote:
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:IIRC, fourteen. Like the Kentucky Oaks.
Churchill should take a hint. :roll:


Yep 14 horses would be great for the derby


We can dream...


LOL, there's a better chance of CD making the Derby a match race than there is them shortening the field to 12 or 14.

I have to ask, why is there a need to shorten the field? Because a few horses each year have bad trips? Because you're afraid there might be an incident? You can't make changes like that out of fear.

The Derby handles a ton of money. With each additional horse, you add significantly to handle. That's what makes the game viable. Period. Gambling. It's a gambling game. No bettors, no game.
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Re: The Preakness

Postby stark » Wed May 10, 2017 9:37 pm

blamethewinner wrote:With each additional horse, you add significantly to handle. That's what makes the game viable. Period. Gambling. It's a gambling game. No bettors, no game.


Not to mention the the 7 or 8 owners with dreams of running in the Derby and the money to bring an entourage of family and friends along with them, the game wouldn't be much without them either.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Re: The Preakness

Postby Apollo » Wed May 10, 2017 10:47 pm

Credit to Classic Empire and Gunnevera for attending.

Many trainers would have waited until the Belmont with Classic Empire, taking the more cautious Empire Maker route. Always Dreaming is no cinch to win either the Preakness or Belmont. Line up and make him prove it.

Likewise with Gunnevera the Preakness obviously doesn't set up for closers as a rule but we've seen the exceptions, like Elocutionist in the '70s and Exaggerator in the slop last year.

If they leave it up to the new shooters only we might as well race in the parking lot, or some type of simulated version only. Actually, after visiting Laurel for the first time last November that track is so boring it would be ideal for simulated only.
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Re: The Preakness

Postby Big Ten » Wed May 10, 2017 11:33 pm

Preakness
1) Always Dreaming
2) Classic Empire
3) Gunnevera

Add Lookin At Lee and Hence if you like for 3rd. Likes the jockey upgrade with Gunny but this isn't a race that suits his running-style although Exaggerator did win from behind last year.

Belmont
1) Classic Empire
Always Dreaming (2nd, 3rd, or off the board)

If Classic Empire wins the Preakness, then no rematch between them in Belmont. And a second time the reigning 2YO male champion defeats Pletcher's Derby winner in the Preakness.

Without Mastery, both are multiple G1 winners and the class of the next two jewels. Rain or shine, my Top 2 for the Derby is the same for the Preakness. Let's keep the Triple Crown Dream alive before the Empire strikes back in the Empire State!

Both the grandsons of Empire Maker. But one is the son of Pioneerof the Nile. Ya know what they say, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." Yeah, it runs its course through New York too. Maybe even in Maryland next Saturday. But let's keep on Dreaming... ;)

Always Classic/Empire Dreaming exacta box...

$40 Exacta Box
Always Dreaming / Classic Empire

Hope it pays $20-$30. Times 20 = $400-$600.

$10
Always Dreaming / Gunnevera
Classic Empire / Gunnevera
Rock Hard Ten. Zenyatta. Justify. Cigar. Ghostzapper. Lava Man. California Chrome. Seattle Slew. Secretariat. Affirmed.
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Re: The Preakness

Postby stark » Wed May 10, 2017 11:38 pm

Apollo wrote:
Likewise with Gunnevera the Preakness obviously doesn't set up for closers as a rule but we've seen the exceptions, like Elocutionist in the '70s and Exaggerator in the slop last year.



The ultimate equipment change on his back could indeed be the reason to expect an improved effort.
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