Classic Empire

Re: Classic Empire

Postby stark » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:24 pm

Classic Empire , the 2016 champion juvenile male for owner John Oxley, has been retired from racing and will stand at Coolmore America's Ashford Stud.

Trained by Mark Casse, Classic Empire had not raced since running second in the May 20 Preakness Stakes (G1). The son of Pioneerof the Nile was expected to be the favorite for the Belmont Stakes Presented by NYRA Bets (G1) but was forced to miss the final leg of the Triple Crown because of a foot abscess.

"Unfortunately, we just ran out of time to get him to the Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)," explained Casse. "I could never get him completely over his foot abscess and it wasn't possible to train him the way I needed in order to bring him back at the highest level which is where he deserved to be. He's an extremely talented horse that can do anything and he overcame a lot of adversity to achieve what he did. I still believe he was the most talented horse of his generation."

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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Charlie » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:01 pm

That is unfortunate but can't say I am surprised, in the slightest.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby sweettalk » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:42 pm

what a waste. would have liked to have seen him at 4. think there will be a big demand for him as is?
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Curtis » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:47 pm

Too bad there wasn't a Plan B--or I suppose by now Plans C or D--like the Malibu and then the Pegasus, or maybe there was and that didn't look possible either.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Northport » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:24 pm

I was a fan of him as a racehorse... but from a breeding perspective... physically unsound and tendency to refuse to work, pass.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Tessablue » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:08 pm

stark wrote:"Unfortunately, we just ran out of time to get him to the Breeders' Cup Classic (G1),"

The only "unfortunate" aspect of this situation is the apparent fact that they really were trying to get him to the Classic off zero preps. I've never felt so relieved to hear about a high-profile horse's premature retirement.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Treve » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:56 pm

I don't think Abscesses are a genetic issue.
And they're claiming there wasn't enough time for the BCC but that he's currently travelling beautifully so I don't understand why they'd overlook other end of year G1s or even the Pegasus. Or you know, let him mature into a 4 year old that could strengthen his resumé en route to the 2018 BCC.
Unfortunate, and I'm sorely disappointed but not surprised.

As for the demand I don't think it'd be as hot as if he won as a 4 year old. You've got Cairo Prince who is rumoured to get a fee bump up to 25k and is hot hot hot at the sales, and of course you've got American Pharoah so you already have 2 sons of Pioneerof the Nile with more interesting credentials and credibility at the moment. There's also Social Inclusion standing in Florida. I guess you could say CE is on the same cross as American Pharoah with a stronger female family to back him up but that feels almost moot unless you're offering Classic Empire at a very discounted price. Kind of curious to see what fee they'll set.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Kurenai » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:09 am

It makes no sense to me that they retire him now and don't bring him back as a 4 yo. From an economical point of view it would boost his stud fee by a considerable amount and as Treve said, there's Cairo Prince and Pharoah already on the market.

My best guess is that they think it might reoccur / he maybe lost a step or two / or there are some other issues that would prevent him from racing another year.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby Flanders » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:13 am

We don't know what his stud deal said but I guarantee it said retires at end of 3yo year. When has Coolmore ever bought a horses breeding rights that they didn't retire at 3? Honestly when I see Coolmore has acquired X for future stud, I know they wont race past 3.
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Re: Classic Empire

Postby bare it all » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:31 am

Kurenai wrote:My best guess is that they think it might reoccur / he maybe lost a step or two / or there are some other issues that would prevent him from racing another year.


My thought, aside from the obvious Coolmore connection, is maybe the colt doesn't want to be a racehorse or is a little difficult to put to task. I hate to use "headcase" but we have a horse with documented refusals to train and veering at the start of a race. I'm sure the Casse barn had little say in whether he continued on or not, but I'm wondering how much the colt's own mental makeup helped them retire him versus push to something like the Clark or the Pegasus.
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