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2yo Champion male?

2014 Colt: Pioneerof the Nile - Sambuca Classica (by Cat Thief)
Trained by Mark Casse
Owned by John Oxley

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From DRF, by David Grening (found on Casse's website)
ARCADIA, Calif. – As he watched the horses run away from the gate in Saturday’s Breeders’ Cup Juvenile, trainer Mark Casse said he couldn’t find his horse.

“Did he come out?” wondered Casse, who was not looking toward the front of the 11-horse field.

Indeed, Classic Empire came out running and put himself right into the race in the early stages of the Juvenile. After stalking Syndergaard for nearly six furlongs, Classic Empire took the lead midway on the far turn, opened up a clear advantage turning for home, then held off a late bid from Not This Time to win the $2 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile by a neck at Santa Anita.

It was 7 1/2 lengths farther back to Practical Joke in third. He was followed by Lookin At Lee, Syndergaard, Three Rules, Gormley, Klimt, Term of Art, Theory, and Star Empire.

The win was the fourth from five starts for Classic Empire and most likely cemented him as 2-year-old male champion. Twenty-four of the previous 32 Juvenile winners were crowned champion, and Classic Empire’s résumé includes victories in the Grade 1 Breeders’ Futurity and Grade 3 Bashford Manor.

Classic Empire’s only loss was basically a nonstart. He wheeled at the start of the Grade 1 Hopeful at Saratoga, unseating jockey Irad Ortiz Jr., and basically ran off for 10 yards. He was uninjured.

It was after that race that Casse put blinkers on Classic Empire. He won the Breeders’ Futurity at Keeneland leading up to the Juvenile.

When Casse looked at the field for the Juvenile, he anticipated there being three or four speed horses whom Classic Empire would stalk. He didn’t anticipate being a half-length off Syndergaard through a quarter in 23.05 seconds and a half-mile in 46.60. Neither did winning rider Julien Leparoux.

“I didn’t expect to be where I was, to be honest,” said Leparoux, who noted that there were speed horses directly to his inside and outside. “I had to break at least good and ask him away from there. I really thought they were going to clear me and I was going to sit third or fourth. By the first turn, I was happy where I was, that’s for sure.”

lassic Empire took the lead just before they ran six furlongs, which was timed in 1:10.48. Classic Empire opened up, and Casse thought Classic Empire was going to win by three or four lengths. But Not This Time, the 5-2 favorite coming off an 8 3/4-length victory in the Iroquois Stakes, had advanced from sixth to third and was on the move under Robby Albarado.

Not This Time kept grinding away but could not catch Classic Empire.

Classic Empire, a son of Pioneerof the Nile – the same sire as 2015 Triple Crown winner American Pharoah – covered 1 1/16 miles in 1:42.60 and returned $11 as the second choice. He is owned by John Oxley, who purchased Classic Empire for $475,000 at the Keeneland yearling sale.

Oxley campaigned 2001 Kentucky Derby winner Monarchos, who died two weeks ago due to complications from surgery to repair a ruptured intestine.

“Now we have another one maybe,” Oxley said. “We’d like to think he might replace him down the road.”

Trainer Dale Romans had been touting Not This Time as potentially the best horse he’s ever trained. But Not This Time isn’t all there yet mentally, according to Albarado.

“He don’t have it serious where he knows exactly what to do, that’s the good part about it,” Albarado said. “He wasn’t all out today, there’s more to him. He’s an improving horse, fourth start, I look for him in the future. He’s going to be a nice horse next year.”

“It’s going to be a fun spring,” Romans said.
I am really liking this colt, looks-wise, talent wise. I mean this crop of Juvies is certainly more inspiring than last year's but leading up to the BCJ he caught my eye. Not This Time as well, but Classic Empire moreso... So I thought he deserved his own topic.
Really hoping for Mr. Oxley that this will be his Derby horse.
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Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:33 pm

I like these connections a lot, and would love to see them get a Derby win. Sign me up!

Love his name, also.

And that browband! How cute! Do they do that for all of their horses?
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil? Well, I should say!
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Not sure I'm Casse's biggest fan but I've long liked the owners.
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Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:27 pm

Casse gets a lot of nice 2-year-olds (and yearlings) with huge price tags, and although he races some good ones, I'm doubtful of him keeping a horse sound and winning from 2 through the Classics. I know he trains Tepin, she'd win if the worst trainer in history trained her. I just seriously doubt his ability to keep this horse going at this level.
Obviously he's champion 2-year-old male.
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Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:17 pm

Izvestia wrote:Casse gets a lot of nice 2-year-olds (and yearlings) with huge price tags, and although he races some good ones, I'm doubtful of him keeping a horse sound and winning from 2 through the Classics. I know he trains Tepin, she'd win if the worst trainer in history trained her. I just seriously doubt his ability to keep this horse going at this level.
Obviously he's champion 2-year-old male.
I understand where you're coming from, but hasn't their barn been somewhat reinvented in the last couple of years? Tepin, Catch a Glimpse, and even a horse like Noble Bird show you that they are doing a better job keeping their horses in top form.

This likely coincides with a difference in who is taking care of the horses on a day-to-day basis. It is a Casse, but it's not Mark.
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Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:21 pm

Fair. I agree with that.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:22 pm

Gainesway already using him to promote Empire Maker :) (Grandsire of- Classice Empire, American Pharoah type things).
Hope we will get to see him duel Not This Time again before the Derby, it really is going to be a fun Spring.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:49 pm

I've been a fan of his for a while but I think Not This Time may be the better of the two as time goes one.
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http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... es-of-2017
Classic Empire, the overwhelming favorite to earn the Eclipse Award for champion 2-year-old male, worked four furlongs in company with stablemate Kaigun at Palm Meadows Training Center, the first move for the son of Pioneerof the Nile since his likely hardware-clinching Breeders' Cup triumph Nov. 5. A few hours later, it was reigning queen Tepin taking the spotlight as the 2015 Breeders' Cup Mile (G1T) winner coasted through a solo half-mile move in :49 4/5 over the Palm Meadows turf under jockey Julien Leparoux.

Norman Casse, son and top assistant to trainer and Eclipse Award finalist Mark Casse, said he caught both Classic Empire and Tepin galloping out in 1:02. But the stopwatch only told half the story.

The level of energy John Oxley's colt displayed back in the barn was the real litmus test in letting his connections know he is ready to get serious toward his seasonal bow, which could come in the Lambholm South Holy Bull Stakes (G2) at Gulfstream Park Feb. 4. As far as Tepin goes, she showcased that at age 6, she is every bit the seasoned pro, going about her business as she pleases.

"He looked awesome," Norman Casse said of Classic Empire. "Obviously you're a little concerned about where his fitness level is, but he showed really good energy. He came back to the barn, he was bouncing. The work didn't take anything out of him.

Finding workmates who are good enough to keep Classic Empire honest in the AM has been one of happy challenges Casse has dealt with. In 7-year-old graded stakes winner Kaigun, Casse thinks he has finally found a stablemate who can push the bay youngster as needed.

"This is a perfect scenario because Kaigun is a great work horse," Casse said. "Although he is a multiple graded stakes winner on the grass, he's actually a really good dirt work horse. They're basically both starting back and I would say they'll probably work together from here until they both start."

Classic Empire is the overwhelming favorite to earn the Eclipse Award for champion 2-year-old male following a 2016 campaign where his only blemish was a mental lapse. Aside from the Sept. 5 Hopeful (G1) where he wheeled out of the gate and dropped jockey Irad Ortiz Jr., Classic Empire was a total professional in winning four of five starts, including the Claiborne Breeders' Futurity (G1) prior to his Breeders' Cup victory.
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Izvestia wrote:Casse gets a lot of nice 2-year-olds (and yearlings) with huge price tags, and although he races some good ones, I'm doubtful of him keeping a horse sound and winning from 2 through the Classics. I know he trains Tepin, she'd win if the worst trainer in history trained her. I just seriously doubt his ability to keep this horse going at this level.
Obviously he's champion 2-year-old male.
A couple of days ago I was lookiing for some info on Classic Empire and I found this article about him quite interesting.
https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/arti ... cky-derby/

It seems like they have a thoughtful operation set-up.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:47 pm

Thanks for the link that was an interesting read.
He's really an attractive colt.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:06 pm

Classic Empire's connections are aiming for the Holy Bull as his seasonal debut. Still working in company with a 7 year old which is encouraging :D
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -holy-bull
The move was the second breeze of the year for John Oxley's Classic Empire, whose status to run in the $350,000 Holy Bull continues to get the green light from trainer Mark Casse. Casse was not on hand for the work which was overseen by his son and assistant, Norman.

"Norman was very enthusiastic about the breeze," Casse said. "When you look at it from a time standpoint it is more about what he does after the breeze. He amazes us because you can't get him tired. There's been a lot of discussion about the Holy Bull between Mr. Oxley, Norman, and myself. I think we're going to make it because I just think it's good timing. I would say today is another step closer to the Holy Bull."
This bit made me smile.
He's a bit of a bad boy, there is no doubt about that," Casse said. "I was talking to Mr. Oxley this morning and said to him, 'He's different than most horses. He's absolutely brilliant, but what makes him so good, also makes his bad.' The fact he is tireless, makes him tough. Somebody the other day said he walks like a panther, and that's what he does—he always ready to pounce."
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Classic Empire On Track for Holy Bull
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -holy-bull
After the Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1) winner recorded a five-furlong work from the gate in 1:00.75 at Palm Meadows Training Center Jan. 21, Casse doesn't see any reason why the son of Pioneerof the Nile shouldn't be on track for the 1 1/16-mile test.
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Unanimous 2yo male Champ! Let's make it a double, eh boy? Very happy for Mr. Oxley (and congrats the Casse family who had an unbelievable year)
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... r-old-male
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Found this cute video of him on twitter https://twitter.com/NotTheChadster1/sta ... 3750798336
Gosh I do love those baby faces, though I suspect his will naturally remain chiseled.
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Can't wait to see him in action this year
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http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... asonal-bow
"It's just the way he does things and the effortlessness he does it with," Casse said. "He came back and you would have thought he had just jogged two miles."

Casse declared 'all systems go' for the Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1) winner to make his sophomore debut in the $350,000 Holy Bull Stakes (G2) at Gulfstream Park Feb. 4
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Classic Empire is the best 3yo of the country but I can't ever trust him again :|

The Holy Bull was extremely disappointing. It wasn’t that he finished a lackluster third at 1-2, beaten nearly 9 lengths. Any one race can be forgiven. It’s a question of whether he can be trusted as a horse who will be able to handle the Derby mayhem. This time it was a fretful van ride the morning of the race that did him in. Casse said the colt fretted very badly on the van ride from Palm Meadows. Because it was the first time he’s ever vanned to a track on race day he is done with Gulfstream and will ship to a racetrack out of town for his next prep that is still to be determined and will train up to the race there. We all were convinced his meltdown at the start of the Hopeful Stakes was an aberration and that blinkers and maturity had cured him of any flighty behavior, especially with the professionalism he showed in his final two starts. But when he sweated up badly going to the post in the Holy Bull and got progressively worse by the time he got to the gate, where he became noticeably agitated, that sent up major warning signs. Then to come up as empty as he did was cause for concern. Casse was happy with the way he’d been training, but it must be noted he had only four works at Palm Meadows, including a final 5-furlong work in company in 1:03 4/5. He still is the champ and capable of bouncing back, as we’ve seen in the past, and this wasn’t nearly as alarming as what he did in the Hopeful. But as I mentioned, can we trust him at Churchill Downs to be as calm and collected as he will need to be and not do anything to severely hurt his chances? And we saw Saturday how fretting and sweating can affect his performance. Casse said he handled the crowd at the Breeders’ Cup fine. Frankly, I have no idea what to expect from him. I still feel he is immensely talented, as he demonstrated last year, but his unpredictability has to be a concern regarding the Derby. His next race will be very important” (Steve Haskin).
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:33 pm

Invasor wrote:Classic Empire is the best 3yo of the country but I can't ever trust him again :|
Read up on recent happenings. He was off in his right front and popped an abscess about 2 days later.

Edit: https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ot-abscess
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:20 pm

I sure do like Casse and know he was really perplexed about the horses performance after the race - so I am glad they found the reason why CE didn't run his best - happy the horse is going to be ok now - love the jock, trainer and horse - a good team to root for in races to come - wishing them all the best.
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