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Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:23 pm

I don't watch much international racing so please forgive my naive questions....

I noticed just before they were loading into the gate, an outrider handed a plastic bottle of water to a jockey and he took a couple swigs. Can't say I've ever seen that in America, maybe I just missed it or is there a rule against it here? Gotta think on some hot days it would be welcome relief, no?

Along the same lines, another jock was handed an Egyptian Cotton bath towel which he rubbed his horse's neck down with getting rid of the sweat. Here in the states I often times see a jock resort to using his whip to swipe off the lather but never a towel. Another rule perhaps because it makes perfect sense, no?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Yes, riders are handed towels and water as they circle around behind the gate. That probably works better for Aussie racing because their grass tracks are wide, providing plenty of room as the horses circle behind a gate for some time before being loaded.
The assistant starters do NOT get in each stall with the horse, unlike racing here. There are also no mounted outriders positioned around the track to catch loose horses or be first on the scene to help injured horses/riders.
IMO, the towels and water are a good thing, but the lack of outriders (and that is true for most foreign racing) is not. I've seen a loose horse make a half dozen laps around one of Japan's huge tracks after tossing his rider at the gate. The race was delayed for about 15 minutes as attendants just watched the horse, waiting for him to get so exhausted that someone could finally just walk up to him.
It is so easy for a horse to injure itself running at top speed for so long, and the long loose reins made it worse. :(
I think North America is the only racing jurisdiction where the gate crew stays in the stall with the horses. Everywhere else, the horses are either led in by a starter who then ducks out the front and leaves, or guided in from the rear. Starters will generally leave restless horses alone and only intervene when one really freaks out.
Foreign gate crews are quick to use a blindfold, but seldom have a rider dismount or open the stall door when a horse is reluctant to load. And they don't mess around with a stubborn horse for long; if a horse has refused to load for long enough, the starter will just send the field off, leaving the unwilling entrant standing behind the gate. :oops:
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:28 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: IMO, the towels and water are a good thing,
Are there rules prohibiting either of them here in the states, thanks just curious.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:27 am

Chris Waller Racing @cwallerracing
Good Afternoon,
Please see below an update regarding Winx and her immediate racing future.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:08 am

Well, that's a bummer :(
Nonetheless here's to hoping she remains sound, healthy and victorious throughout the rest of her career!
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:24 am

That's just.... blaaaah. I don't get why they changed their mind, unless they have the feeling that she's lost a step and isn't 100%. It's possible, she gets older. If I think - as an owner - that I wouldn't do my horse any favors sending it over to run only 3rd, cause it's not in top form, then I wouldn't do so. But then at least say so instead of giving some lame excuses like "it's a different season over there". You knew that from the get go.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:17 am

Kurenai wrote:That's just.... blaaaah. I don't get why they changed their mind, unless they have the feeling that she's lost a step and isn't 100%. It's possible, she gets older. If I think - as an owner - that I wouldn't do my horse any favors sending it over to run only 3rd, cause it's not in top form, then I wouldn't do so. But then at least say so instead of giving some lame excuses like "it's a different season over there". You knew that from the get go.
I reckon a crack at an unprecedented 4th Cox Plate was always priority 1

There's no pressing reason to campaign her o/s. Not like she's a stallion they are trying to promote as a potential dual hemisphere sire
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:36 am

I'm okay with this because, as remarkable as she is to keep winning, she looked beatable in her last. Or at least vulnerable.

I wouldn't want her to venture overseas unless she was at her best.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:38 am

Maybe she isn't a great shipper? Maybe they would rather she stay home and make an extra start or two. Maybe they don't want to risk their champion shipping her around the world.
They weighed risk vs. reward and didn't find it worth pursuing. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:02 am

This a break down of her George Ryder Stakes from Daily Sectionals.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/win ... 4z65g.html
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:32 pm

Kurenai wrote:That's just.... blaaaah. I don't get why they changed their mind, unless they have the feeling that she's lost a step and isn't 100%. It's possible, she gets older. If I think - as an owner - that I wouldn't do my horse any favors sending it over to run only 3rd, cause it's not in top form, then I wouldn't do so. But then at least say so instead of giving some lame excuses like "it's a different season over there". You knew that from the get go.
Boy, I think you're reading a lot into this. Losing a step? Her last race was a shorter distance on heavier ground and she still did her job. Winning another Cox Plate would be incredible to say the least. Travel goes both ways. Let them come to the champ. I like that they put the welfare and odds in favor of the horse. She's been doing this for a long time...
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:20 pm

I'm not surprised by this news. I've gotten the feeling that her owners never felt like going to Britain was THE MOST important goal for their classy mare. I also wonder if Black Caviar's experience may have played a part in the decision. Yes, Nelly won, but she pulled a muscle in the effort and had to take time off to heal.
The trip to the Northern Hemisphere is a challenge, and the seasonal switch may be even harder on mares (and their hormones) than on the males.
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Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:16 pm

Hovdey: Morning-suit crowd mourns Winx absence
With all the somber pomp and careful language of a royal proclamation, trainer Chris Waller announced this week that the ownership of the Australian superstar Winx, a winner of 24 straight races, has chosen not to send their 7-year-old mare to England for a race at the prestigious Royal Ascot meet in June.

“Winx has nothing to prove to anyone,” wrote Waller. “She is and always will be regarded as a legend of the turf and it is champions like her that make up the fabric of this great sport.”

There followed, as night follows the day, a headline in the Irish Times that declared the “Connections of Winx decide to duck Ascot challenge.” And, on the other side of the globe, a headline in the Sydney Morning Herald proclaimed, “Winx dodges Royal Ascot, chases fourth Cox Plate.”

So which is it, duck or dodge? Let’s go to Greg Wood of The Guardian for the tiebreaker:

“Away from her home turf, though, there was an inevitable sense that Winx’s connections had weighed up what would have undoubtedly been a demanding new challenge for their horse – and decided to duck it.”

We have a winner.

Such polite, thinly veiled suggestions of cowardice from the sporting press pander to the worst instincts of their readers, while perpetuating the idea that the media’s main function is to lobby for the latest bright, shiny thing being marketed beyond all reason.

Royal Ascot is that current bright, shiny thing, sold hard at home and abroad. I’ve never been, so I cannot speak to the incalculable joys of wearing rented clothing for five straight days, but I hear it’s a hoot, as well as a national institution of which British racing is rightfully proud.

It is not, however, the ultimate test of ability in the Thoroughbred racehorse. There is no such ultimate test, only a collection of evidence that must be weighed against time, and no single event should require participation when the primary athlete is an animal of odd moods and stubborn frailty. Even one that’s won 24 straight.
More: http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-morning- ... nx-absence
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Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:37 pm

Bowman Out Until Queen Elizabeth
Hugh Bowman, the 2017 Longines World’s Best Jockey and rider of Winx (Aus) (Street Cry {Ire}), will be on the sidelines until partnering the 6-year-old mare in the Apr. 14 G1 Queen Elizabeth S. Bowman suffered a severe concussion when falling from Performer (Aus) (Exceed and Excel {Aus}) in the G2 Todman S. on Mar. 10, and sat out a week before returning to ride Winx to win last weekend’s G1 George Ryder S. (and Performer in the Golden Slipper-that one beat just two home). Bowman was riding at Warwick Farm on Wednesday but was stood down after it was determined he was suffering from concussion after effects and a subsequently discovered viral infection. Bowman will need medical clearance to ride Winx in two weeks’ time.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/bo ... elizabeth/
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Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:23 pm

So, instead of the earlier assessment of a "mild" concussion, they have finally figured out he has a severe concussion. :roll:
IMHO, there may not be such a thing as a "mild" concussion. I hope Hugh really takes enough time off to heal, and hope even more that he doesn't get another one. :(
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:59 pm

Winx, with Hugh up, just put in a five furlong work at Randwick between their 1st and 2nd races on the first night of The Championships. She looked very good.
Of course, IMHO, she always looks good, but she seemed a bit more muscle-y, and her coat was really dappled. She appears to be fit and ready for next week's Queen Elizabeth.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Winx tries to tie Black Caviar's 25 race win streak on Saturday.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horseplay ... th-stakes/
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:59 am

Flanders wrote:Winx tries to tie Black Caviar's 25 race win streak on Saturday.
https://www.paulickreport.com/horseplay ... th-stakes/
She is looking good in paddock - Humidor is second choice at 7:1 right now...
May they run with the WIND
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:10 am

That looked easy! What a winning machine.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I'm at a loss for words. She went from last to first....on the far outside...and just zoomed away to win by open lengths.
She may be the best horse I've ever seen, and I've seen some greats. :shock:
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